Lighters BANNED beyond security!

[LarryinTN]

Because not one of these "security measures" is going to stop a determined, professional terrorist organization from taking out more airplanes!

That is true of EVERY security measure in place in commercial aviation.

Do a google search on "swiss cheese model". It's generally applied to accident prevention but the concept works equally well with security.

 

[LarryinTN]

Wait another year or two and every passenger will have to travel in speedos and flipflops!!!

Google "Unwarrented extrapolation"

 

[LarryinTN]

they take out my Revlon nail clippers I bought at Longs Drugs that week. I never saw them again.

When was that?

Nailclippers were banned in carry on bags for a short time after 9/11. Maybe a month or two?

9/11 shutdown the airtransportation system for almost three days. The initial goal was to get the airplanes flying again as quickly as possible. To meet that goal the FAA, this was before the TSA was created, created new rules and procedures with a very broad brush. Once the airplanes were flying again they sent the next 12 to 18 months going back through the entire system and rationalizing the rules and procedures. That process continues today with the testing of the new walk-through explosive detectors being one of the latest examples. The nail clipper ban was recinded very early on in the process.

 

[JD2003]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...the contract wand monkeys were doing just as good a job prior to 911. Now we have essentially the same but twice the pay, no accountability, and pretty white uniforms.

Not to mention that the 911 hijackers pulled this off with stuff that was completely legal to take through security at the time. The government chose to blame contract security when it really wasn't their fault. Now we have a system of government showmanship and waste which raises fares and annoys crews and passengers.

Bring back the contract wand people with some federal overisght and lose the glamorous pay scales and we will have some progress and it won't be such a burden on the consumer or the tax payer.

The big threat right now is shoulder fired rockets and what prey tell is TSA doing about them.

just my 2 cents

 

[cathal]

The TSA has added shoulder fired rockets to the prohibited items lst.

 

[belchfire]

Why don't the frelling dipsticks in congress/tsa
just refuse to allow the people that are the
problem on airplanes instead of punishing
UNIFORMED FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS!

Maybe we should all call in sick the day this
goes into effect! No 121 flying at all for 24
hours...

 

[JD2003]

That might be what it takes belchfire to restore our pay and benefits. Pity our spineless unions aren't behind us.

 

[79%N1]

To quote Nelson Munz.......HA HA!!!

 

[Flyer1015]

The TSA has added shoulder fired rockets to the prohibited items lst.

Why? That's nothing as close to the threat that exists due to nailclippers...

 

[RompXS4D]

TSA drops education as pre-employment requirement

My roomate just told me the other day that the TSA just dropped the HS diploma/GED pre-employment requirement. I mean these idiots couldn't find a tray of cookies at a bake sale already and now they don't even have to complete high school to get a better paying job than I have.

 

[LarryinTN]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

That is certainly a compelling argument.

 

[LarryinTN]

Why don't the frelling dipsticks in congress/tsa
just refuse to allow the people that are the
problem on airplanes instead of punishing
UNIFORMED FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS!

Now that there have been at least two uniformed crewmembers attempt to hijack airliners (FedEx and EA990) that is a difficult arguement to make.

 

[LarryinTN]

the threat that exists due to nailclippers...

Nail clippers are specifically ALLOWED by the TSA's rules.

 

[walshsfly]

Lets all go out and buy strike anywhere matches! And I am not talking about the little boxes, everyone get 10 or 20 of the big 500 match boxes and put them in your overnight bags. That would be safer than a single lighter.





Kill them all let God sort them out!

 

[JD2003]

strike anywhere matches are already verboten by der flugen gestapo.

How exactly is punishing uniformed crewmembers at the checkpoint going to stop the likes of FedEx and EA 990. If there really is a crewmember out in the NAS that is he!! bent on destroying other people do you really think the groping given them by our "High School dropout elite" is going to stop them or change a (beaver builds a?) thing

Point is, we are entrusted with immense responsibilities, treated like criminals, and paid like trench diggers.

This doesn't even address the hundreds of thousands of ramp and customer service agents that have unfettered access to the aircraft at any given time. These people are not screened yet pilots are subjected to this garbage on a daily basis and let me tell you it gets really...really...really...friggin old.

 

[AviatorTx]

So, just quit smoking and STFU...


Simple.

 

[LarryinTN]

How exactly is punishing uniformed crewmembers at the checkpoint going to stop the likes of FedEx and EA 990.

Those examples show that we can not claim that we are beyond reproach just becuase we are airline pilots.

 

[JD2003]

LJ-ABX your right...good point.

I guess I am a little bitter about the whole thing. One of the TSA screeners borrowed money from me a while ago and never paid it back. She makes twice what I do now and acts like she doesn't owe me anything. GED, lousy credit, and smokes dope yet our government gave her a job that makes twice as much as me. Maybe I should just go to work for the TSA.

I'll just simmer down now...and AviatorTx...I don't smoke...but I will STFU now.

 

[viking737]

I am not familiar with EA 990. Anybody?...

 

[LarryinTN]

I guess I am a little bitter about the whole thing.

I certainly understand your frustration but what are you going to do? I guess we could all sign up for the FFDO program so that we could bypass screening...

Similarly, it's hard to justify lighters in the cabin when the absense of a lighter was likely the difference that saved the AAL flight from Richard Reid's attempted bombing. He had trouble lighting the fuses on his shoe-bombs with the match and the smell of the matches alerted the flight attendants and nearby passengers.