Letter to Delta Pilots

[DDpaysoff]

Listen, and listen good you stupid POS! The avg pilot pay (based on $150,000) is pre LOA 46, and it is including the overtime flown. If you would take your head out of your a$$ long enough to hear, the avg pay for a 7th year M88 f/o (since there is nobody on property longer than that) is $65,000. Yes that's right, less than a 7th year CRJ cpt at ASA! If dumb were dirt, you'd cover an acre!
I can't wait until you are out on the street and the only job you can hold is Mc Donalds! How in the world CMR hired you is beyond comprehension. Now, go back and try to find some open time to fly on your days off, remember you are paid too high! BTW did your parents have any kids that lived?
737
Stupid is no longer an excuse for you to be this ignorant!

That is some funny stuff. I seriously don't think this guy is a comair pilot. Probably somebody at another airline just messing around. If he truly went to new hire class, he wouldn't pass the roll call.

 

[Instinct]

Nice avatar, FCPhotography...are you the artist?

 

[D'Angelo]

Listen, and listen good you stupid POS! The avg pilot pay (based on $150,000) is pre LOA 46, and it is including the overtime flown. If you would take your head out of your a$$ long enough to hear, the avg pay for a 7th year M88 f/o (since there is nobody on property longer than that) is $65,000. Yes that's right, less than a 7th year CRJ cpt at ASA! If dumb were dirt, you'd cover an acre!
I can't wait until you are out on the street and the only job you can hold is Mc Donalds! How in the world CMR hired you is beyond comprehension. Now, go back and try to find some open time to fly on your days off, remember you are paid too high! BTW did your parents have any kids that lived?
737
Stupid is no longer an excuse for you to be this ignorant!

Hey my parents had 5 kids and we are all healthy intelligant individuals. $65,000? That is plenty my friend. You can pay your mortage and everything else and still have some left over. You dont even have to sign for the airplane. Quit whining and go back to the negotiating table. Ill keep doing my thang at comair. BTW ill help replace the FAs if need be.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

ditto

About the only thing I got from this letter was:

blah blah blah here as well

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Hey my parents had 5 kids and we are all healthy intelligant individuals. $65,000? That is plenty my friend. You can pay your mortage and everything else and still have some left over. You dont even have to sign for the airplane. Quit whining and go back to the negotiating table. Ill keep doing my thang at comair. BTW ill help replace the FAs if need be.

a little left over for grits or what. I am talking season tickets to NY Giants, summer trip to Greece, Vacation home in CALI....

$65,000 is PEASANT PAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[737 Pylt]

Penaly box anyone? Its better to keep your mouth shut and let us think you're stupid, than to open it up and let us KNOW you're stupid.

I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn! But hey now, it looks like you're lost. This isn't the CFI board, but stop back when you have less time!
737

 

[instructordude]

I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn! But hey now, it looks like you're lost. This isn't the CFI board, but stop back when you have less time!
737

I hate arrogant guys like you who put down lowly CFII's like myself and others on this board. Do you ever think that maybe we have feelings too and are dreaming of a career someday flying the heavy iron internationally. Just cause you've made it doesn't give you a licensce to put us down. Screw you!

 

[DoubleDown]

I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn! But hey now, it looks like you're lost. This isn't the CFI board, but stop back when you have less time!
737

It looks like you FORGOT to plan for your future. That's why you're so militant about your current situation. When are people going to learn that you can't just get a job, stop learning, and let "the company" take care of you. What are your priorities in life? Once you put your job first, you are the one who is lost.

 

[737 Pylt]

It looks like you FORGOT to plan for your future. That's why you're so militant about your current situation. When are people going to learn that you can't just get a job, stop learning, and let "the company" take care of you. What are your priorities in life? Once you put your job first, you are the one who is lost.

That just goes to show how pathetically stupid you are! My aviation career is not my first job and not my "job first." The reaspm I'm so militant about my current situation is that dumb asses like you think you know it all, and you have NO CLUE what is going on at DL, but that shouldn't affect the way you judge people now should it?
737

 

[DoubleDown]

That just goes to show how pathetically stupid you are! My aviation career is not my first job and not my "job first." The reaspm I'm so militant about my current situation is that dumb asses like you think you know it all, and you have NO CLUE what is going on at DL, but that shouldn't affect the way you judge people now should it?
737

Don't get me wrong, I stongly sympathize with the situation at delta. And yes, I am relatively clueless as to what is really going on there. However, the reason I am busting your ba11s is the way you are bashing other people who are posting on this board. I really meant it when I said that you sound more stupid when you respond in that way. Your gay bashing is completely unacceptable! I wish you and your fellow delta pilots all the best. I sincerely hope you hold the line against management. They need to be forced to do a more efficient job at running the airline, and cutting employees pay and lowering moral does not equal efficiency.

 

[737 Pylt]

Don't get me wrong, I stongly sympathize with the situation at delta. And yes, I am relatively clueless as to what is really going on there. However, the reason I am busting your ba11s is the way you are bashing other people who are posting on this board.

I only bash people on this board who draw the first strike. I am so sick of the "DL pilots don't have the balls, are overpaid, etc....." If I came off arrogant to you, then accept my apology, but any more around here you need to be on the offensive, rather than defensive!

I really meant it when I said that you sound more stupid when you respond in that way. Your gay bashing is completely unacceptable! I wish you and your fellow delta pilots all the best. I sincerely hope you hold the line against management. They need to be forced to do a more efficient job at running the airline, and cutting employees pay and lowering moral does not equal efficiency.

That's probably because I am more stupid! Gay bashing, c'mon, telling someone to wear a "pink skirt" is not "gay bashing," and if you think so, you need to go and research the topic of it!
Good luck to us all!
737

 

[ERJFO]

I hate arrogant guys like you who put down lowly CFII's like myself and others on this board. Do you ever think that maybe we have feelings too and are dreaming of a career someday flying the heavy iron internationally. Just cause you've made it doesn't give you a licensce to put us down. Screw you!

I think it should, how are we going to feel good about ourselves?

 

[D'Angelo]

Stupid is no excuse fo you you smacked a$$! How did you even manage a driver's lcense?? How would a miserable cmr f/a know about signing for an airplane?? They teach you that in f/a school??




737

Haha nice try however im alive and well on the cmr pilot senority list. You just hope that im not a pilot because I dont agree with what you say. All you have to do on this board to get these jokers to be your pals is spout off the same old rhetoric. Oh BRAAAVO GUYS!! HOLD THAT LINE! YOU HAVE BALL$!!! TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM WE APPRICIATE IT!!!! MAJOR AIRLINES ARE GOOD, REGIONAL AIRLINES ARE BAAAAAD! HOOOAH! KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT BLAH BLAH.

Sorry not all pilots were made from a cookie cutter. We don't all buy into the bs of being a sacraficial lamb for just any reason. Again FO pay isnt always quite what captain pay is because we don't sign for the plane. Thats why his pay is higher, ours is a bit lower however when you AVERAGE them out its not so bad. Plus you have a lady working too your income can carry you pretty far in life. These guys just get ticked off because some don't think the same way they do. They want everyone to be willing to scream HOOAH and fall on their sword. I can see frustrations with taking a 50% paycut however after negotiating it probably won't be that much. Just remember this is the usual ALPA game only reversed. It used to be ok NWA got X% more so we need X% +5. Then Ohhhh American got X% plus 10 so we need X% plus 15. Now its just the opposite. Well United took X-15 so Airways can do X-20.

Sorry this just part of the game our lovely ALPA created. They reap what they sow Live by the sword die by the sword is what they always say. If ALPA had negotiated reasonable contracts to begin with then they probably wouldnt come asking for all that $$$. I realize its important to have a fair and economical contract that can get you through the bad as well as the good times. Im all for us making good money but we need to at least work for it. The glory days are over. Those lavish contracts we all loved can only be sustained in a good economy with higher airfares. Now its time to be competitive and stop living in dream world. I realized this, at first it makes you angry then you realize its out of our control. Airfares can only go so high before you lose your customer base. It doesnt help much to have higher fares but a lot more empty seats. The big problem is theres an over capacity of seats and everyone wants delta to be the sacraficial lamb. I actually hope to see the old dog live another day. Ahhhh low blood pressure is great.

 

[737 Pylt]

Why bother!

So out of 1 part of your nut drainer, you're happy to be working for you petty salary right? I guess living at home with mommy and daddy and having your rent paid for is pretty cool. I guess they pay for the insurance on your Iroc Z as well huh?
Why not just work for free, that way when you cruise the high school parking lots, you can tell all the chicks you're an airline pilot. Let me guess, you even claim to be a Delta pilot!
Then out of the other part of your pie hole you say that we should negotiate higher payscales. Either you are a management puke in disguise or just a flame baiter, either way you are just one annoying prick!
Watch out, when MESA buys CMR, you'll be treated like the little bitch you are! Your paycut will be nasty, and you might even (boy I hope so) be out of work!
737

 

[BrickTop]

Who cares what this reservations agent has to say. They are easily replaced and don't need much training or education, they are very ependable.


So are the Pilots. Get over yourself any monkey can be trained to do this job. Its a self worthy endulge you let yourself believe your skills are unattainable and thereby empowering you to dictate your demands with such threats. I have a Masters, am an Audio Engineer, self employed business owner and an Airline Pilot, and by contrast this job is humor in its level of difficulty. I do this job for the joy of flying, the change of environment and I accept the loss of the "glory days". The training programs implemented for this industry are tailored to inhibit failure. Education plays little part in manipulating shiny switches only in proving your willingness to "work" and ability to be programed, which is mostly overlooked anyhow by nepotisim. You will be replaced just as promptly as the people you consider unworthy to your position. No single person's position in this industry can exist without the other. Whether the airline survives a strike or not, at least you'll have you ego and pride, which in your world is whats "marketable". But good luck to you when your on the street and the airlines replace your so called "UN-expendable Experience," with as you view, a "reservation agent" level skilled pilot.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

Ahhhh low intelligence is great.

Glad to see that you've come to grips with your unfortunate circumstances.

 

[D'Angelo]

Glad to see that you've come to grips with your unfortunate circumstances.

If you feel the need to misquote me perhaps it shows something about your intelligence. Here how about we be friends ill talk like a normal brainwashed ALPO fool..


OH IM SO GLAD YOUR ALL HOLDING THAT LINE! YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE BALL$ CAN I KISS YOUR FEET TO STROKE YOUR MAINLINE SIZED EGO?
OH I WANT ALL FUTURE FLYING AT MAINLINE BECAUSE US REGIONALS ARE UNWORTHY OF YOUR GREATNESS. YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE BALL$ IM SO GLAD YOUR NOT GRABBING YOUR ANKLES. GIVE EM HELL GUYS! BLAH BLAH BLAH. Thank god im really not this obnoxious

 

[Diesel]

no you really are.

 

[goodto50meters]

If you feel the need to misquote me perhaps it shows something about your intelligence. Here how about we be friends ill talk like a normal brainwashed ALPO fool..


OH IM SO GLAD YOUR ALL HOLDING THAT LINE! YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE BALL$ CAN I KISS YOUR FEET TO STROKE YOUR MAINLINE SIZED EGO?
OH I WANT ALL FUTURE FLYING AT MAINLINE BECAUSE US REGIONALS ARE UNWORTHY OF YOUR GREATNESS. YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE BALL$ IM SO GLAD YOUR NOT GRABBING YOUR ANKLES. GIVE EM HELL GUYS! BLAH BLAH BLAH. Thank god im really not this obnoxious

You know, at first after witnessing numerous accounts of your completely assinine drivel, I thought you were either Fred Buttrell (Comair) or Scott Hall (ASA).

Well, I owe you an apology.

You are neither of these people. You give asshole management rapists a bad name. Your ignoramous rants defending the destruction of your profession render you unfit to even shine their shoes.

You are either completely ignorant or one of those small-unit-syndrome pilots who actually think if you are successfull in stealing flying from others that you will be able to keep it from the next bottom feeder that undercuts your stupid ass.

Looking forward to your future downfall asswipe.

 

[ohplease!]

I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn! But hey now, it looks like you're lost. This isn't the CFI board, but stop back when you have less time!
737

Its not the majors board either but, that doesn't stop your dumb ass from showing up here. Moron.

 

[D'Angelo]

You know, at first after witnessing numerous accounts of your completely assinine drivel, I thought you were either Fred Buttrell (Comair) or Scott Hall (ASA).

Well, I owe you an apology.

You are neither of these people. You give asshole management rapists a bad name. Your ignoramous rants defending the destruction of your profession render you unfit to even shine their shoes.

You are either completely ignorant or one of those small-unit-syndrome pilots who actually think if you are successfull in stealing flying from others that you will be able to keep it from the next bottom feeder that undercuts your stupid ass.

Looking forward to your future downfall asswipe.

Destruction of the profession please. You guys really should try out for brodway sometime. Youd make great drama actors. You may even win a tony! How is the profession being destroyed when most are not only still surving after deep paycuts but thriving. Thats right you heard me thriving. You wanna show the percentage of people making over 100K/year in the US. It surely isnt much and it isnt that easy to just walk away and go make 100K again. You have to work a lot harder than you ever would in this career. Unfortunately management has realized we are replaceable. We are not replaceable right away but there are still plenty of people out there willing to do the job for less. If an airline strikes then that is the end of that airline. However there are tons of other airlines just praying for this so they can swoop in and get the flying after liquidation. Sorry my friend the profession is alive and well. Oh wait I forgot to say HOLD THAT LINE, YOU HAVE BALL$, now its your turn to say "finally someone who gets it." Thats how things seem to work. If you dont think exactly like everyone wants you too then they go ballistic. You guys give me too much credit, im no lawyer nor am I management. Just a line cmr pilot sick and tired of hearing the same ol bs. Trust me a lot of people get sick of hearing the same lines over and over. As far as the downfall of comair is concerned im not worried a bit. The paycuts will be had by all and we live to fight another day. You see its us that has Ball$ for doing what it takes to keep feeding our families and tell the rest of you to take that HOLD THE LINE and other Rhetoric BS and Shove it where the sun dont shine. Go fall on your sword if you must but dont come whining to us when no one else is there screaming hooah with you.

 

[Regul8r]

And now for my $.02

Get over yourself any monkey can be trained to do this job. Its a self worthy endulge you let yourself believe your skills are unattainable and thereby empowering you to dictate your demands with such threats. I have a Masters, am an Audio Engineer, self employed business owner and an Airline Pilot, and by contrast this job is humor in its level of difficulty. I do this job for the joy of flying, the change of environment and I accept the loss of the "glory days". The training programs implemented for this industry are tailored to inhibit failure. Education plays little part in manipulating shiny switches only in proving your willingness to "work" and ability to be programed, which is mostly overlooked anyhow by nepotisim. You will be replaced just as promptly as the people you consider unworthy to your position. No single person's position in this industry can exist without the other. Whether the airline survives a strike or not, at least you'll have you ego and pride, which in your world is whats "marketable". But good luck to you when your on the street and the airlines replace your so called "UN-expendable Experience," with as you view, a "reservation agent" level skilled pilot.

Nice novel a$$hole. Now go pay your kid $5 to go teach you how to use a dictionary. E.G. "The training programs implemented for this industry are tailored to inhibit failure." Inhibit the failure of what, flight?!? I would certainly hope so! Master's degree my a$$, what a phony!

Originally Posted by D'Angelo
Ahhhh low intelligence is great.

D'Angelo!!!Where ya been buddy??? Still "gayin' it up" as usual I see. Good to see another one of your memorable quotes ringing true. Keep reaching for that Rainbow buddy!

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I don't have a dog in this fight but I think Lars! hit it out of the park. No way in hell a Delta reservations agent wrote this. Propaganda. A reservations agent can go get another job in a couple weeks making the same or probably more money with that so called accounting degree. Not to mention Airtran would be another Atlanta option. Most of those pilots will not be getting new jobs at the same pay, probably closer to a 50%-75% cut in pay and bennies if they all moved on to other flying jobs. That letter smells like cow manure.

Mr. I

 

[737 Pylt]

Its not the majors board either but, that doesn't stop your dumb ass from showing up here. Moron.

Hey look who showed up?! If it isn't our resident captain asshole! AU, is that for A'hole university?? You fit the mold well loser!
737

 

[Instinct]

I don't have a dog in this fight but I think Lars! hit it out of the park. No way in hell a Delta reservations agent wrote this. Propaganda. A reservations agent can go get another job in a couple weeks making the same or probably more money with that so called accounting degree. Not to mention Airtran would be another Atlanta option. Most of those pilots will not be getting new jobs at the same pay, probably closer to a 50%-75% cut in pay and bennies if they all moved on to other flying jobs. That letter smells like cow manure.

Not entirely true. If a regular CS agent (not a supervisor or manager) with, for instance, 20 years of service leaves for another airline, he/she would start at the bottom of the seniority list just like a pilot.

I do not believe any airline would honor (pay-wise) years of service spent at another airline.

If that same agent were to find another type of CS job (not airline-related), then maybe he/she would be able to find a company willing to reward him/her for those years of CS in the airline industry.

A CS supervisor or manager could theoretically, however, find a comparable job at another airline and therefore be paid more or less on the same scale.
Then again, airlines would require knowledge in using their respective reservation system, which may very well be vastly different than what one has been using for 20 years.

Eventhough I doubt this letter is authentic, it could very well have been.

Happy Easter!

 

[ArcticFlier]

Does anyone have a copy of the letter that some "CS agent" wrote to the CMR pilots before they went on strike? This one looks awful familiar.......




AF

 

[Capi_Cafre']

If you feel the need to misquote me........

"Me" is a pretty nebulous concept on FlightInfo. If indeed you are a pilot, I'm sure that most would agree that "Ahhhh low intelligence is great." accurately paraphrases every single bit of drivel you've ever posted here.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Great letter!!! Even ALPA admits they average roughly $150,000 per year. Sorry the time has come to quit whining. Quit living in the past and quit whining about how much training you have to go through. We all freely choose to do what we need to do to get to our position. Time to do what it takes to survive. All the other airlines are just begging you to strike so they can get your flying when you liquidate. Going from $150,000 to $0 is a much worse paycut. Unfortunately it appears some still suffer from "entitlement" syndrome.

Dude....

I suppose you donate your paycheck to charity or something like that. If you ever gert to the point in life where you are asked to take cuts for someone else's imcompetence, I'd like to be there to see your reaction. Earning something is not an entitlement. Delta management has laid some huge eggs in the past couple years and they want to blame it all on the pilots and employees. Who took the most profitable airframe and made it a LCC lookalike? Management!!! Who cut fares whith an 87% load factor? Management! There is alot more to this than meets the eye. This threat to shut down the airline is about one thing and one thing only. That is putting a HUGE nail in ALPA's coffin aka Union busting.

 

[CFIT]

Listen, and listen good you stupid POS! The avg pilot pay (based on $150,000) is pre LOA 46, and it is including the overtime flown. If you would take your head out of your a$$ long enough to hear, the avg pay for a 7th year M88 f/o (since there is nobody on property longer than that) is $65,000. Yes that's right, less than a 7th year CRJ cpt at ASA! If dumb were dirt, you'd cover an acre!
I can't wait until you are out on the street and the only job you can hold is Mc Donalds! How in the world CMR hired you is beyond comprehension. Now, go back and try to find some open time to fly on your days off, remember you are paid too high! BTW did your parents have any kids that lived?
737
Stupid is no longer an excuse for you to be this ignorant!

WOW, looks like someone had a second bowl of bitch flakes this morning.

I guess it then really pisses you off when I tell you that I made alot more than your average pay last year. I wonder how much I'll get when your scope gets raped.

It's knobs like you and your girlfriend Gen that I hope you get screwed on this TA.

 

[737 Pylt]

WOW, looks like someone had a second bowl of bitch flakes this morning.

Bitch flakes, that's pretty funny! Is that what I got served at your house this morning?? I couldn't tell.....It was too crowded with all the pro athletes there!

I guess it then really pisses you off when I tell you that I made alot more than your average pay last year.

It pisses me off when jerks like you find joy in others' misfortunes!

I wonder how much I'll get when your scope gets raped.

The only raping was what you got in juvenile detention last year!

It's knobs like you and your girlfriend Gen that I hope you get screwed on this TA.

Jealousy will get you no where. Now go back to the CFI board and tell everyone how great you are!