Letter to ALPA's President

[braveheart]

RJ Defense Coalition
Ensuring One Level of Representation
www.rjdefense.com

Letter to ALPA's President​

November 22, 2005

As part of its continuous review of industry events, the RJDC has learned of ALPA's most recent scope proposals at Delta. It is a sad commentary on the state of affairs within our own union when the ASA and Comair pilots must scour the public docket in order to ascertain the union's intentions rather than hearing it directly from the union's leadership.

ALPA's bargaining proposals at Delta clearly show the union's intent to continue its pattern of bad faith conduct and to perpetuate its on-going conflict of interest. ALPA's offer of economic incentives to entice management to withdraw some of its proposed scope changes, without the participation and consent of ASA and Comair pilots, is not only further proof that ALPA is working against our interests, but that the union has no intention of delivering on its obligation to enact reforms.

In response, we have written ALPA's President requesting that he intervene without delay in order to ensure the union's actions at Delta are conducted in accordance with the union's Constitution and Bylaws and its duties to the ASA and Comair pilots.

The full text of this letter and the supporting documentation can be downloaded from the RJDC's web site or from the following links:

Letter (Adobe Acrobat 145k)
Excerpts (Adobe Acrobat 450k)

 

[mnalpha]

how about this, hey fag go fuk yourself.

thats my letter

 

[ex j-41]

Letter

Would it not be better to have the 70 or 90 seaters only at Mainline?

 

[fastbird]

Keep all flying above 50 seats at mainline. That is the only way.

 

[PCL_128]

Yawn...

I'm sure Captain Woerth did the same thing with your pathetic letter that I would: shredded it. Get a life and stop trying to steal mainline jobs.

 

[braveheart]

PCL,

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to accuse FlightInfo of engaging in "gustapo" editorial tactics while you yourself advocate that ALPA's President should summarily disregard the lawful objections of those whom he's obligated to represent?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to accuse FlightInfo of engaging in "gustapo" editorial tactics while you yourself advocate that ALPA's President should summarily disregard the lawful objections of those whom he's obligated to represent?

The President of the Association doesn't have the time to deal with a ragtag group of whiners that are trying to hold on to an already-failed lawsuit. Your claims are so far out in left field that even paying them lip service is absurd. We have real issues like cabotage, pensions, and the continued raping of mainline contracts in BK to deal with. Wasting the President's time with your petty lawsuit is not something that we need right now. As I said, I'm sure it went straight to the circular file anyway.

 

[braveheart]

PCL,

Whenever a fiduciary claims "they're too busy" to investigate claims of wrongdoing within their respective organization, it's either an admission of neglect or an admission of complicity.

Either way it's wrong.

 

[uncle_rico]

The President of the Association doesn't have the time to deal with a ragtag group of whiners that are trying to hold on to an already-failed lawsuit. Your claims are so far out in left field that even paying them lip service is absurd. We have real issues like cabotage, pensions, and the continued raping of mainline contracts in BK to deal with. Wasting the President's time with your petty lawsuit is not something that we need right now. As I said, I'm sure it went straight to the circular file anyway.

all ALPA is worried about is making the most money possible....they would dump ALL pilots and represent retarded tree beetles if they paid higher dues.

 

[braveheart]

Lessons from Detroit

Funny thing though, ALPA is apparently attempting to protect their revenues in much the same way Detriot did in the 70's, by calling for import restrictions and quotas rather than fixing problems of their own making.

As everyone now knows, Detroit's quest for restrictions, rather than reform, proved to be self-desructive (costing thousands of union jobs) as the Japanese automakers ultimatly earned market share and the loyalty of its customers with a superior product.

 

[mamba20]

Your all forgetting something. ALPA cares nothing about us, especially at the regional level. What we say, do or think makes no nevermind. ALPA is nothing more then an expensive magazine subscription.

 

[BenderGonzales]

I'd love to know what you folks think the solution is?

If scope is "broken", then what do you suggest be done to protect flying (jobs) at any given carrier -- legacy or regional?

 

[PCL_128]

I'd love to know what you folks think the solution is?

If scope is "broken", then what do you suggest be done to protect flying (jobs) at any given carrier -- legacy or regional?

They don't care. They just want to get the biggest and shiniest airplane that they can. Mainline pilots and their jobs be danged.

 

[DAL737FO]

Just out of curiousity, why is ASA listed in this letter? If you haven't been keeping up with current events they are no longer an asset of Delta Air lines, inc. They belong to SkyWest. Shouldn't they be addressing the SkyWest management about future growth? How about the seniority list integration between ASA and SkyWest? That should be pretty easy right, you fly the same equipment. How is that coming? Oh that's right you only go after something if you think you can get a windfall. Nice try Dan. You are a real piece of work.

 

[crashpad]

I like Braveheart, he's very smart. He's a lot like Mr. Bimble, the little man who lives in my finger.

BTW, any chance I can have the money I lent (stolen from my paycheck by ALPA) to the ComedyAir pilots when they were on strike?

 

[braveheart]

What's Broke?

I'd love to know what you folks think the solution is?

If scope is "broken", then what do you suggest be done to protect flying (jobs) at any given carrier -- legacy or regional?

For a start, we must first objectively analyze what's not working. Only then can we start to explore alternatives.

One of the better documents on the subject is the RJDC's "Ten Things Every Airline Pilot Should Know About Scope" publication. It goes to great lengths to debunk many of the myths underlying today's dysfunctional scope clauses.

http://www.rjdefense.com/2003/10_Things_About_Scope.pdf

 

[braveheart]

If you haven't been keeping up with current events they are no longer an asset of Delta Air lines, inc.

If you haven't been keeping up with events, the ASA pilots joined ALPA in 1985. As ALPA members they're still entitled to request redress from their own union.

But I do find it interesting that someone purporting to be "pro-union" would direct fellow ALPA members to management in order to obtain that which is has long been promised by ALPA.

 

[General Lee]

Look, the Delta pilots can bargain first with the company, and if the company agrees, then a deal can be made. Without a deal, then the company is sunk. Therefore, the company has the ability to decide for themselves. Negotiations deal with scope, but in the end the company has to decide whether they want this thing flying or not.

The RJDC is full of LAZY pilots who like their seniority and do not want to start over, like most of us did. They never want to lose the LEFT SEAT, and they haven't even flown in the right seat since they flew the Bandirante to Texarkana back in '86. They love weekends off, and also want to keep their 4 weeks of vacation---so they can go to Myrtle Beach and watch people on the boardwalk.

IF YOU WANT TO FLY BIGGER PLANES, APPLY TO CONTINENTAL.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

The President of the Association doesn't have the time to deal with a ragtag group of whiners that are trying to hold on to an already-failed lawsuit. .... Wasting the President's time with your petty lawsuit is not something that we need right now.

I take this to mean that ALPA only has time to represent "real" airline pilots, not its members who fly small jets.

THe small jet guys get to negotiate for the leftovers after all the big dogs have eaten? ASA can't have a contract because we don't know what scraps will be left over?

Sir, you are mistaken. ALPA members have the right to expect our National Union to abide by its Constitution and Bylaws. ALPA National fails when it fails to represent its members.

Small jet pilots and mainline pilots have the same issues. Scope, retirement, bankruptcies are issues that are facing all pilots, not just the chosen few who had a friend who knew Plato.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Just out of curiousity, why is ASA listed in this letter?

Because the lawsuit was triggered by ALPA's actions while Delta owned ASA and Comair.