Letter from Mikey / FLOPS

[WabiSabi]

And union members are the ones to make that judgement for the rest of the company? I think not. What a joke.

No B19. The numbers speak for itself. FLOPS management, with massive attrition of the pilots as well as owners, is incompetent. If the current situation isn't telling enough to convince you, history will be the judge and show you. However, as usual, you'll just bury your head in the sand like the coward that you are. The real joke is you.

It's anything but a simple process. And is sure as hell isn't fair.

You're right. It isn't simple because management is dragging their feet. And it sure as hell isn't fair partly because of management's unjust firings. As with NetJets, they will be hired back with back pay in the "hostage clause".....which proves you wrong even further.

Oh my god! Management is being oppressed by the pilot group!!!

A strike or work action is extortion. It's not negotiation, it's beating the company to submission to "win" a contact.

Well no. Their are no work actions sanctioned by the 1108. That would be illegal if they did. The 1108 actually condemns work actions. So, explain exactly which work actions have been sanctioned by the 1108. As for a strike, it would only happen if it is legal. Extortion is, in fact, illegal. Care to explain yourself Bob? Scab? Once again, this shows your ignorance of labor relations. What is truly extortion is management's systematic intimidation campaign and unjust firings. It's not a real negotiation because management is incorrigible.....like you.....except you're much more idiotic. 1108 is playing by the rules. Management is not. Point by point, I DARE you to try and refute this!

 

[Whoosh!]

Let me ask you a question B19. Are you on this board because no one will put up with your bullsh1t in real life? Seriously, who would want to listen to you?

 

[CastofThousands]

All,

Local 1108 just signed extended agreements with its Washington DC Legal Counsel (Roland and Bill Wilder), Lead Negotiating Counsel (Jon Wentz), and Professional Bargaining Consultant (Rick Dubinsky). In addition, Local 1108 just allocated additional funds to the Flight Options Pilot Negotiating Committee and set aside a large sum of cash for a Public Relations Campaign.

Combined with the strong support of the Flight Options pilot group – well, my bets on the pilots and a future executive management team change when it’s all over. This is a long-term professional [Union] pilot effort. At this point in time, due to their own actions (more accurately stated – inactions), Flight Options will never bounce back without a true leadership change. The Flight Options pilot group will never follow a/the dead man/men walking.

What was gained by a short-term airline management bargaining mindset of “delay, delay, delay” will cost in brand loyalty long-term. Good leaders lead; while weak leaders point fingers. DO NOT EXPECT A CHANGE IN PILOT MINDSET WITHOUT A CHANGE IN CORPORATE LEADERSHIP. Low pilot morale, which is getting lower by the days is quite simply – mutually assured destruction – without good leadership.

I smell blood in the water without good corporate leadership…

 

[B19 Flyer]

SHACK!! Excellent post, Wabi! the Fudspinner is a hypocrite. He calls me ignorant but has a vocabulary so limited that he can't use more than one definition for the word "win".... I've attempted to help him expand his vocabulary before, to no avail. Apparently, he's either the type who needs something repeated several times before he gets it, or else he deliberately treats others disrespectfully by shoving his words down their throat.

Expanded Vocabulary Lesson for "win" with Applicable Notes Regarding the Contract Objective: To achieve success in an effort or venture: struggled to overcome the handicap and finally won. Arrogance shown by MS is an obstacle for the Options pilots, but with unity and effort they can win a contract in spite of the FUD thrown in their path.

To obtain or earn (a livelihood, for example). American workers widely recognize that pilots should earn wages above the blue-collar level because of their professional skills, responsibility, and experience. When they learn how low wages are for frac pilots they're shocked. The Options pilots helped to build the company and already earned the contract they are trying to obtain/win. Union and non-union companies have established an industry standard that is the fair measure to judge offers by. Fairness dictates that workers receive the going rate for their contribution to the company; thus, all underpaid employees should object to exploitation of their labor.

To reach with difficulty: The ship won a safe port. Only those trying to (suspiciously) reject reality would deny that the FLOPS have made working conditions difficult for the Options pilots, who are trying to win fair rules/pay in a legally binding contract. FUD aside, it is simple: the attrition rate and recruitment problems are evidence that sub-par wages and non-standard work rules are management sticks used for beating the pilots.

To achieve or attain by effort: win concessions in negotiations. A good example that fits with the term "labor strife". Open-minded board members know that it is simply right for managers to concede that frac pilots are professionals who should be compensated accordingly. Anything less is disrespectful and unfair to front-line employees responsible for the safety of the clients, jets worth millions, and the overall reputation of the company.

Dictionaries and frac pilots support my use of the word "win"; however, it's not surprising that the Fudspinner is also a word-twister. After all, that's a common trait among those who speak with a forked tongue. Wabi nailed it! A warning for my frac friends:

When you see a poisonous word-twister slithering through the grass give it the boot.

Let's put in some of the Merriam-Webster dictionary definitions you left out because of your arrogance and ugly boots :laugh: :

• to gain in or as if in battle or contest
• to be the victor in
• to make friendly or favorable to oneself or to one's cause
• to gain the victory in a contest

 

[B19 Flyer]

All,

Local 1108 just signed extended agreements with its Washington DC Legal Counsel (Roland and Bill Wilder), Lead Negotiating Counsel (Jon Wentz), and Professional Bargaining Consultant (Rick Dubinsky). In addition, Local 1108 just allocated additional funds to the Flight Options Pilot Negotiating Committee and set aside a large sum of cash for a Public Relations Campaign.

Combined with the strong support of the Flight Options pilot group – well, my bets on the pilots and a future executive management team change when it’s all over. This is a long-term professional [Union] pilot effort. At this point in time, due to their own actions (more accurately stated – inactions), Flight Options will never bounce back without a true leadership change. The Flight Options pilot group will never follow a/the dead man/men walking.

What was gained by a short-term airline management bargaining mindset of “delay, delay, delay” will cost in brand loyalty long-term. Good leaders lead; while weak leaders point fingers. DO NOT EXPECT A CHANGE IN PILOT MINDSET WITHOUT A CHANGE IN CORPORATE LEADERSHIP. Low pilot morale, which is getting lower by the days is quite simply – mutually assured destruction – without good leadership.

I smell blood in the water without good corporate leadership…

And a union is the answer??????????

 

[WabiSabi]

And a union is the answer??????????

Since management is obviously not the answer, the union is FLOP's only hope. You have zero knowledge of what is going on at FLOPS so just shut your worthless pie hole! Not to mention, you have repeatedly demonstrated your lack of understanding of labor relations in general.

 

[skyismyoffice]

And a union is the answer??????????

Please enlighten us once and for all...What is the answer???

Bend over and take it like a man???

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Rif!

Let's put in some of the Merriam-Webster dictionary definitions you left out because of your arrogance and ugly boots :laugh: :

• to gain in or as if in battle or contest
• to be the victor in
• to make friendly or favorable to oneself or to one's cause
• to gain the victory in a contest

Did I not warn you about your attempts to appear literate, and how they always fail?
I am, however, pleased that you at least display consideration that leans toward the opening of a book.
Next time, though, make it an OED and not a 3rd grade level Merriam's. We'll try to be much more impressed.
Carry on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by B19 Flyer
Shakespeare described her best:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Clearly, you need to spend less time on this board and more time studying Shakespeare, should you in the future choose to again post random quotes you do not understand (...and thus, indicating favor with your opponent rather than the intended displeasure).
Your interpretation of the word "protest" is in a modern context, and certainly not a Shakespearean one. "Protest" in the time of Hamlet indicated a serious declaration or vow, not protest in an objecting fashion.
Now consider yourself just a speck more educated this morning, and contact the nearest educational institution to enroll immediately. You have spent far too much time obsessing over FLOPS pilots, and far too little time meeting the challenge of being a knowledgeable adversary against their advanced class of intellect. Go enlighten yourself elsewhere simpleton, as we shall not be going anywhere.
Carry on.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Next time, though, make it an OED and not a 3rd grade level Merriam's. We'll try to be much more impressed.
Carry on.

Now I understand why the FAA lawyers used Merriam's Webster to define their legal interpretations.

They are speaking to a level that union members understand. :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Please enlighten us once and for all...What is the answer???

Bend over and take it like a man???

You're union, right? That's not possible for you. :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Since management is obviously not the answer, the union is FLOP's only hope.

Wow, thanks for that enlightenment!!

All this time I've been thinking that Obi-won Kenobi was their only hope.

(He's non-union management employed by the Jedi Corporation)


:laugh:

 

[WabiSabi]

Wow, thanks for that enlightenment!!

All this time I've been thinking that Obi-won Kenobi was their only hope.

(He's non-union management employed by the Jedi Corporation)


:laugh:

Will you ever post a substantive response? Please, entertain us with something. For living in such quiet desperation, you sure do have a loud mouth.

 

[dime line]

And a union is the answer??????????

So moron (b19), how many pilots are you gonna Furlough?

 

[dash_trash]

Would some one please post Shawns letter?

Thanks

 

[B19 Flyer]

So moron (b19), how many pilots are you gonna Furlough?

How high are you on the seniority list?

 

[dash_trash]

How high are you on the seniority list?

Nice. People like you amaze me ... toy with peoples lives and not have a bit compassion for the employees who are actually out trying to make things right. The pilots have put more effort into saving FLOPS than management ever will.

It starts from the TOP, and the man ( I use the term loosely) at the top of FLOPS will never do anything to help anyone but himself ... that includes you Mr. VP.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

...and YET

Now I understand why the FAA lawyers used Merriam's Webster to define their legal interpretations.

They are speaking to a level that union members understand. :laugh:

...and yet YOU were the one quoting Merriam's, not the OED. :smash: Sounds more like they needed people like YOU to understand, not the professional pilots.

 

[dime line]

How high are you on the seniority list?

doesn't matter, how many are you gonna furlough?

 

[Galaxy]

Come on Mikey, just end it and chain the doors up so we all can go home after a good laugh..

B19-your posts have become even more stupid. Are you sniffing glue or something in that offce of yours..

 

[netjetwife]

Galaxy, you're seeing the desperation of a Union-buster who can't deny (with any credibility) the reality that Options pilots are underpaid/overworked, have a legal right to negotiate their salary, (as other workers do), and are led by a Union that has an excellent track record of helping not just the pilots, but working as a team with management, too. If the FLOPS would follow the example of NJA managers things would be greatly improved at their company, too. NJW

Egotistical, inept managers need to get the black boot.

 

[netjetwife]

All,

Local 1108 just signed extended agreements with its Washington DC Legal Counsel (Roland and Bill Wilder), Lead Negotiating Counsel (Jon Wentz), and Professional Bargaining Consultant (Rick Dubinsky). In addition, Local 1108 just allocated additional funds to the Flight Options Pilot Negotiating Committee and set aside a large sum of cash for a Public Relations Campaign.

Combined with the strong support of the Flight Options pilot group – well, my bets on the pilots and a future executive management team change when it’s all over. This is a long-term professional [Union] pilot effort. ....What was gained by a short-term airline management bargaining mindset of “delay, delay, delay” will cost in brand loyalty long-term. Good leaders lead; while weak leaders point fingers. DO NOT EXPECT A CHANGE IN PILOT MINDSET WITHOUT A CHANGE IN CORPORATE LEADERSHIP. …

This is excellent news for the Options pilotgroup! I'm surprised you guys haven't commented on it. A public relations campaign--wow! That made a big difference for the NJA pilots. It should help the Options pilots, too. It gets hard to keep burying your head in the sand when clients ask what the hell you're doing. HIG needs to bring a big broom with them and the pilots will be in a good position to help them figure out where to start the clean-up process. NJW

Those who persist in keeping their head in the sand are good targets for the black boot.

 

[B19 Flyer]

This is excellent news for the Options pilotgroup! I'm surprised you guys haven't commented on it. A public relations campaign--wow! That made a big difference for the NJA pilots. It should help the Options pilots, too. It gets hard to keep burying your head in the sand when clients ask what the hell you're doing. HIG needs to bring a big broom with them and the pilots will be in a good position to help them figure out where to start the clean-up process. NJW

Those who persist in keeping their head in the sand are good targets for the black boot.

The only people that have their heads in the sand are those that bring in a union and think it's the answer.

 

[B19 Flyer]

doesn't matter, how many are you gonna furlough?

One more than your seniority number..

After all, for ages I've stated that I've never had anything to do with FLOPS or even fractionals anymore, but if you are going to ask a stupid question, I'm going to give you are stupid answer....

 

[fischman]

The only people that have their heads in the sand are those that bring in a union and think it's the answer.

...And those that can't put their foot in their mouth because their head is up their a$$. You know, like YOU.

 

[fischman]

One more than your seniority number..

After all, for ages I've stated that I've never had anything to do with FLOPS or even fractionals anymore, but if you are going to ask a stupid question, I'm going to give you are stupid answer....

I don't believe you. Here's why.

If you do a search on B19 Flyer on these boards, you will ONLY find posts in the fractional forum. If he REALLY works for a "non-union airline" why does he not post there? Why does he care about us if he has nothing to do with Fracs anymore? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WORK FOR A NON-UNION AIRLINE.

I used to work for the regionals. Do a search on me and see how many posts in the last 4 years are in the regional section. You will find 1. I don't go there anymore because I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM, their industry, their problems, their management, their crappy pay, their bad hotels, etc...

His first post in FI was dated 05-25-2007, 14:39. Anyone know what happened on that date???

B19, I am calling you out. You are a liar. You are ignorant. You are a scab.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I don't believe you. Here's why.

If you do a search on B19 Flyer on these boards, you will ONLY find posts in the fractional forum. If he REALLY works for a "non-union airline" why does he not post there?

More than one log on?​

Why does he care about us if he has nothing to do with Fracs anymore? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WORK FOR A NON-UNION AIRLINE.

I used to work for the regionals. Do a search on me and see how many posts in the last 4 years are in the regional section. You will find 1. I don't go there anymore because I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM, their industry, their problems, their management, their crappy pay, their bad hotels, etc...

His first post in FI was dated 05-25-2007, 14:39. Anyone know what happened on that date???

B19, I am calling you out. You are a liar. You are ignorant. You are a scab.

Flattery will get you nowhere...

 

[DO-82 driver]

Man!!!! I feel like a hypocrit. Happy St Paddy'd Day all!!!!!

 

[netjetwife]

Nice to see you posting, DO. But why would you feel like a hypocrite... We already have one of those on the board, (who is also a word-twisting fudspinner) and that's one too many as it is.

Speaking of March 17th...I picked up some shiny green and white garland yesterday. I'm going to drape it around my husband's desk where he'll be doing lots of work on St Patrick's Day... If you run into him, don't say anything. It's a surprise. The NJ pilots are getting into the theme. One posted the green shoes he plans to wear--fun! Guys, I do think there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow... and it has your group's name on it. However, it's like the lottery; you have to turn in enough tickets to win...


Those standing in the way of progress need to get the black boot.

 

[Frac Cap]

This is excellent news for the Options pilotgroup! I'm surprised you guys haven't commented on it.

To my knowledge this information has not been formally announced to the pilot group yet. I have heard some of it is still being keep quiet. I guess it is hard to keep good news a secret.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Those standing in the way of progress need to get the black boot.

Hitler wore black boots. He also thought he was being progressive.