Letter from Mikey / FLOPS

[Voice Of Reason]

I guess this letter is speaking only to the pilots in the company according to you folks. Because there can't possibly be any other employees that work at FO. Let alone, ones that would be affected by a change in operations.
Typical.
Now, I'll go back in my hole as you'll probably request of me in the coming posts...
Also, typical.

Thanks for the hint as to what is on this letter. You just can't help outing yourself, can you? I won't tell you to go back in your hole, because I know it wil only be moments before you sign back on as B-19.

 

[Galaxy]

Mike has to make a couple chops into the staff and crew. He will resign. You all will get the last laugh knowing what a mistake RAC made in hiring him. Finally, he will have to try to sell his house. Which he will take a huge loss. Waaaa. Nobody will want him. He will remain unemployed.

XXOO

Hate to tell you this but......some internet research will show you that US Air paid for his house-or at least it is on their books for a payout. So will he lose anything??? Everything that loaser touches turns to crap and he always seems to walk away unscathed..

 

[Galaxy]

I wish I had 2 grand to give to my favorite presidential candidate...

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/s-scheeringa.asp?cycle=08

 

[jetwash]

He really knows how to pick a winner

 

[1folinepilot]

He really knows how to pick a winner

What else did you ever expect from Mikey the F$cking Moron? He has clearly proved to the industry that he knows nothing about labor relations or running a company, so it is no suprise that he knows nothing about politics and how allign himself with a winner.

His campaign donation receipt is a complete spit in his face when they said he worked for "Flight Optius LLS." In short he just threw away 2000$ for NOTHING!

 

[1folinepilot]

1108 is failing miserably at FLOPS. For over a year now, all I see is whining on this board about how terrible it is.

Bob, it is management that is failing miserably at FLOPS and they do not know how or care to fix their errors.

If the leadership at 1108 was all that great, headway would be happening there and there wouldn't be a stalemate. 1108 would be able to overcome any "barriers" put up by management. Instead of doing what NJW says, and "WIN" a contact, they should try to "negotiate" a contract, and that isn't going to happen.

If FLOPS Mnagement would respect their employees and work with them, treating them all like an asset instead of a liability there would not be any barriers or stalemate.

At NJ, 1108 chose the richest fractional first, and now that they are dealing with one without pockets as deep, the truth is now showing about how they will react when the going gets tough.

If FLOPS management would follow the proven lead of the NJ management, FLOPS would grow and be sustainably prosperous as well

NJ pilots need to pay close attention to this, because when the economy gets tough and meager profits NJ is now enjoying fade and vanish, what is happening at FLOPS will happen at NJ too.

HIG needs to pay close attention to what is going on at FLOPS, and clean house from the top down and install a management team that knows the value of the excellent labor relations that Warren Buffett shows at NJ

You wanted a union, you got it. Enjoy.

Bob, I am proud to be a member in good standing of the IBT1108 and when you and your team decide to work with and respect us, we will all enjoy the sustainable prosperity that excellent labor relations provide.

B19, If you put half the effort that you waste fighting us into working with us, this contract negotiation period woud be over and FLOPS would be on the road to sustainable profitablity! It is you and your management team that is dragging things out and bringing FLOPS to failure!

If you force the negotiations into mediation or beyond, then you were clearly not negotiating in good faith, as without question we all know what the industry standard is and we will accept NOTHING LESS!

 

[WabiSabi]

Are you ignorant or what?

Executives are offered a contract. If the company doesn't like they contract, they don't hire the employee. Simple and fair process.

You're the ignorant one. If a group of employees doesn't like how they're treated or find management as incompetent (ala management running the company into the ground) etc., under the RLA, they can exercise their right to organize and to collective bargaining. It is the law and it is a "simple and fair process."

Unions force the company to accept a contract based on what the union "thinks" is fair.

You're a hypocrite. You have been paying lip service all along about how a contract is "negotiated" and "not won". How does the union "force" a company to accept a contract if it is negotiated? You speak with forked tongue.

The company, the shareholders, the rest of the employee group do not have an option even if it puts the entire company in peril as has happened historically through the history of unions, regardless of the industry. Very complicated and unfair process.

It is management that has put the entire company in peril. You think the market will take care of it? Apparently you're wrong. There is a mass exodus of pilots at FLOPS and the CEO has his head in the sand and not doing anything about it. It is kind of like Bush being in denial of the current recession. Somebody has to do something. By implementing management accountability in the upcoming contract, the 1108 is the only hope for FLOPS to have a chance to stay in business. If the shareholders knew what is truly going on at FLOPS, they would have gotten rid of the CEO long ago.

The rank and file dispatchers at the OCC and mechanics has shown support of the pilot group's solidarity at FLOPS....even to the point of a couple of dispatchers getting fired for following SOP's and FAR's. The only reason Scheduling and Owner Services doesn't support solidarity is because management has them in the dark with their intimidation campaign.

Not the same thing, and you really don't understand this stuff do you?

No, it is you that doesn't understand....as you have shown with your moronic and mindless anti-union crusade.

Your statements about the necessity to "win" a contract, not negotiate and your complete disrespect for non-pilot employees show your complete lack of understanding of how unions affect a company.

Again, see above....double talking hypocrite scab.

 

[B19 Flyer]

If a group of employees doesn't like how they're treated or find management as incompetent (ala management running the company into the ground) etc.

And union members are the ones to make that judgement for the rest of the company? I think not. What a joke.


under the RLA, they can exercise their right to organize and to collective bargaining. It is the law and it is a "simple and fair process."

It's anything but a simple process. And is sure as hell isn't fair.

You're a hypocrite.

ROFL - :laugh:

You have been paying lip service all along about how a contract is "negotiated" and "not won". How does the union "force" a company to accept a contract if it is negotiated? You speak with forked tongue.

A strike or work action is extortion. It's not negotiation, it's beating the company to submission to "win" a contact.

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[dime line]

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Moron

 

[netjetwife]

....under the RLA, they can exercise their right to organize and to collective bargaining. It is the law and it is a "simple and fair process." You're a hypocrite. You have been paying lip service all along about how a contract is "negotiated" and "not won". How does the union "force" a company to accept a contract if it is negotiated? You speak with forked tongue.....

SHACK!! Excellent post, Wabi! the Fudspinner is a hypocrite. He calls me ignorant but has a vocabulary so limited that he can't use more than one definition for the word "win".... I've attempted to help him expand his vocabulary before, to no avail. Apparently, he's either the type who needs something repeated several times before he gets it, or else he deliberately treats others disrespectfully by shoving his words down their throat.

Expanded Vocabulary Lesson for "win" with Applicable Notes Regarding the Contract Objective: To achieve success in an effort or venture: struggled to overcome the handicap and finally won. Arrogance shown by MS is an obstacle for the Options pilots, but with unity and effort they can win a contract in spite of the FUD thrown in their path.

To obtain or earn (a livelihood, for example). American workers widely recognize that pilots should earn wages above the blue-collar level because of their professional skills, responsibility, and experience. When they learn how low wages are for frac pilots they're shocked. The Options pilots helped to build the company and already earned the contract they are trying to obtain/win. Union and non-union companies have established an industry standard that is the fair measure to judge offers by. Fairness dictates that workers receive the going rate for their contribution to the company; thus, all underpaid employees should object to exploitation of their labor.

To reach with difficulty: The ship won a safe port. Only those trying to (suspiciously) reject reality would deny that the FLOPS have made working conditions difficult for the Options pilots, who are trying to win fair rules/pay in a legally binding contract. FUD aside, it is simple: the attrition rate and recruitment problems are evidence that sub-par wages and non-standard work rules are management sticks used for beating the pilots.

To achieve or attain by effort: win concessions in negotiations. A good example that fits with the term "labor strife". Open-minded board members know that it is simply right for managers to concede that frac pilots are professionals who should be compensated accordingly. Anything less is disrespectful and unfair to front-line employees responsible for the safety of the clients, jets worth millions, and the overall reputation of the company.

Dictionaries and frac pilots support my use of the word "win"; however, it's not surprising that the Fudspinner is also a word-twister. After all, that's a common trait among those who speak with a forked tongue. Wabi nailed it! A warning for my frac friends:

When you see a poisonous word-twister slithering through the grass give it the boot.

 

[WabiSabi]

And union members are the ones to make that judgement for the rest of the company? I think not. What a joke.

No B19. The numbers speak for itself. FLOPS management, with massive attrition of the pilots as well as owners, is incompetent. If the current situation isn't telling enough to convince you, history will be the judge and show you. However, as usual, you'll just bury your head in the sand like the coward that you are. The real joke is you.

It's anything but a simple process. And is sure as hell isn't fair.

You're right. It isn't simple because management is dragging their feet. And it sure as hell isn't fair partly because of management's unjust firings. As with NetJets, they will be hired back with back pay in the "hostage clause".....which proves you wrong even further.

Oh my god! Management is being oppressed by the pilot group!!!

A strike or work action is extortion. It's not negotiation, it's beating the company to submission to "win" a contact.

Well no. Their are no work actions sanctioned by the 1108. That would be illegal if they did. The 1108 actually condemns work actions. So, explain exactly which work actions have been sanctioned by the 1108. As for a strike, it would only happen if it is legal. Extortion is, in fact, illegal. Care to explain yourself Bob? Scab? Once again, this shows your ignorance of labor relations. What is truly extortion is management's systematic intimidation campaign and unjust firings. It's not a real negotiation because management is incorrigible.....like you.....except you're much more idiotic. 1108 is playing by the rules. Management is not. Point by point, I DARE you to try and refute this!

 

[Whoosh!]

Let me ask you a question B19. Are you on this board because no one will put up with your bullsh1t in real life? Seriously, who would want to listen to you?

 

[CastofThousands]

All,

Local 1108 just signed extended agreements with its Washington DC Legal Counsel (Roland and Bill Wilder), Lead Negotiating Counsel (Jon Wentz), and Professional Bargaining Consultant (Rick Dubinsky). In addition, Local 1108 just allocated additional funds to the Flight Options Pilot Negotiating Committee and set aside a large sum of cash for a Public Relations Campaign.

Combined with the strong support of the Flight Options pilot group – well, my bets on the pilots and a future executive management team change when it’s all over. This is a long-term professional [Union] pilot effort. At this point in time, due to their own actions (more accurately stated – inactions), Flight Options will never bounce back without a true leadership change. The Flight Options pilot group will never follow a/the dead man/men walking.

What was gained by a short-term airline management bargaining mindset of “delay, delay, delay” will cost in brand loyalty long-term. Good leaders lead; while weak leaders point fingers. DO NOT EXPECT A CHANGE IN PILOT MINDSET WITHOUT A CHANGE IN CORPORATE LEADERSHIP. Low pilot morale, which is getting lower by the days is quite simply – mutually assured destruction – without good leadership.

I smell blood in the water without good corporate leadership…

 

[B19 Flyer]

SHACK!! Excellent post, Wabi! the Fudspinner is a hypocrite. He calls me ignorant but has a vocabulary so limited that he can't use more than one definition for the word "win".... I've attempted to help him expand his vocabulary before, to no avail. Apparently, he's either the type who needs something repeated several times before he gets it, or else he deliberately treats others disrespectfully by shoving his words down their throat.

Expanded Vocabulary Lesson for "win" with Applicable Notes Regarding the Contract Objective: To achieve success in an effort or venture: struggled to overcome the handicap and finally won. Arrogance shown by MS is an obstacle for the Options pilots, but with unity and effort they can win a contract in spite of the FUD thrown in their path.

To obtain or earn (a livelihood, for example). American workers widely recognize that pilots should earn wages above the blue-collar level because of their professional skills, responsibility, and experience. When they learn how low wages are for frac pilots they're shocked. The Options pilots helped to build the company and already earned the contract they are trying to obtain/win. Union and non-union companies have established an industry standard that is the fair measure to judge offers by. Fairness dictates that workers receive the going rate for their contribution to the company; thus, all underpaid employees should object to exploitation of their labor.

To reach with difficulty: The ship won a safe port. Only those trying to (suspiciously) reject reality would deny that the FLOPS have made working conditions difficult for the Options pilots, who are trying to win fair rules/pay in a legally binding contract. FUD aside, it is simple: the attrition rate and recruitment problems are evidence that sub-par wages and non-standard work rules are management sticks used for beating the pilots.

To achieve or attain by effort: win concessions in negotiations. A good example that fits with the term "labor strife". Open-minded board members know that it is simply right for managers to concede that frac pilots are professionals who should be compensated accordingly. Anything less is disrespectful and unfair to front-line employees responsible for the safety of the clients, jets worth millions, and the overall reputation of the company.

Dictionaries and frac pilots support my use of the word "win"; however, it's not surprising that the Fudspinner is also a word-twister. After all, that's a common trait among those who speak with a forked tongue. Wabi nailed it! A warning for my frac friends:

When you see a poisonous word-twister slithering through the grass give it the boot.

Let's put in some of the Merriam-Webster dictionary definitions you left out because of your arrogance and ugly boots :laugh: :

• to gain in or as if in battle or contest
• to be the victor in
• to make friendly or favorable to oneself or to one's cause
• to gain the victory in a contest

 

[B19 Flyer]

All,

Local 1108 just signed extended agreements with its Washington DC Legal Counsel (Roland and Bill Wilder), Lead Negotiating Counsel (Jon Wentz), and Professional Bargaining Consultant (Rick Dubinsky). In addition, Local 1108 just allocated additional funds to the Flight Options Pilot Negotiating Committee and set aside a large sum of cash for a Public Relations Campaign.

Combined with the strong support of the Flight Options pilot group – well, my bets on the pilots and a future executive management team change when it’s all over. This is a long-term professional [Union] pilot effort. At this point in time, due to their own actions (more accurately stated – inactions), Flight Options will never bounce back without a true leadership change. The Flight Options pilot group will never follow a/the dead man/men walking.

What was gained by a short-term airline management bargaining mindset of “delay, delay, delay” will cost in brand loyalty long-term. Good leaders lead; while weak leaders point fingers. DO NOT EXPECT A CHANGE IN PILOT MINDSET WITHOUT A CHANGE IN CORPORATE LEADERSHIP. Low pilot morale, which is getting lower by the days is quite simply – mutually assured destruction – without good leadership.

I smell blood in the water without good corporate leadership…

And a union is the answer??????????

 

[WabiSabi]

And a union is the answer??????????

Since management is obviously not the answer, the union is FLOP's only hope. You have zero knowledge of what is going on at FLOPS so just shut your worthless pie hole! Not to mention, you have repeatedly demonstrated your lack of understanding of labor relations in general.

 

[skyismyoffice]

And a union is the answer??????????

Please enlighten us once and for all...What is the answer???

Bend over and take it like a man???

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Rif!

Let's put in some of the Merriam-Webster dictionary definitions you left out because of your arrogance and ugly boots :laugh: :

• to gain in or as if in battle or contest
• to be the victor in
• to make friendly or favorable to oneself or to one's cause
• to gain the victory in a contest

Did I not warn you about your attempts to appear literate, and how they always fail?
I am, however, pleased that you at least display consideration that leans toward the opening of a book.
Next time, though, make it an OED and not a 3rd grade level Merriam's. We'll try to be much more impressed.
Carry on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by B19 Flyer
Shakespeare described her best:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Clearly, you need to spend less time on this board and more time studying Shakespeare, should you in the future choose to again post random quotes you do not understand (...and thus, indicating favor with your opponent rather than the intended displeasure).
Your interpretation of the word "protest" is in a modern context, and certainly not a Shakespearean one. "Protest" in the time of Hamlet indicated a serious declaration or vow, not protest in an objecting fashion.
Now consider yourself just a speck more educated this morning, and contact the nearest educational institution to enroll immediately. You have spent far too much time obsessing over FLOPS pilots, and far too little time meeting the challenge of being a knowledgeable adversary against their advanced class of intellect. Go enlighten yourself elsewhere simpleton, as we shall not be going anywhere.
Carry on.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Next time, though, make it an OED and not a 3rd grade level Merriam's. We'll try to be much more impressed.
Carry on.

Now I understand why the FAA lawyers used Merriam's Webster to define their legal interpretations.

They are speaking to a level that union members understand. :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Please enlighten us once and for all...What is the answer???

Bend over and take it like a man???

You're union, right? That's not possible for you. :laugh: