Let's Start a New Union at ASA

[sunlitpath]

I am tired of lame old ALPA and their tired old game. Let's start an in-house union at ASA. The dues would be less expensive and the service would be better. How do you vote out a union? I will ask my friends at US Air and see what it takes. It's time for a change.

 

[WWEfan]

Your friends at US Air would probably tell you they made a mistake. But good luck. I predict this thread will go longer than your union drive does.

 

[sunlitpath]

This is an exploratory idea. My friends at US Air hate ALPA forever. I don't hate APLA. I just see them as obsolete. I think we may be better served by an in-house union. It seems to work well at other airlines. An in-house union would be more responsive to the needs of the pilot group. I think we need representation, but ALPA has done nothing for me or ASA, and their are many pilots at ASA who share this opinion. I know ALPA will resist this effort vigorously. They fear losing the revenue more than anything else.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I am tired of lame old ALPA and their tired old game. Let's start an in-house union at ASA. The dues would be less expensive and the service would be better. How do you vote out a union? I will ask my friends at US Air and see what it takes. It's time for a change.

YAWN.

Tell me how an inhouse union funded by 1700 underpaid pilots will provide better Legal and Medical coverage than ALPA has for us?

 

[sunlitpath]

I have never needed or used the legal/medical coverage at ALPA. I think most pilots never use it. So we are paying for services that are used by a few. That is an over payment right there. 1700 pilots multilpied by an average salary of $60,000 a year, multiplied by 1% (half of ALPA Dues) = $1,020,000. Yes, that is over one million dollars a year. ALPA is a scam. One million dollars a year buys a lot more coverage for medical and legal issues than ALPA provides. That tired old justification for keeping ALPA has expired. My god, that's a full time doctor and lawyer on call 24 hours a day! With money left over. Do the math. We are paying the bills for ALPA pilots at the majors. F those guys. They make twice as much. Let's start thinking of ASA pilots, We don't need ALPA

 

[sunlitpath]

YAWN.

Tell me how an inhouse union funded by 1700 underpaid pilots will provide better Legal and Medical coverage than ALPA has for us?

If you are tired, you should take your fat ass to bed...

 

[buscap]

While being a one or two trick pony is not normally associated with an effective organization, I would submit the national level advocacy for safety and the pilot profession can only be forwarded by ALPA.

 

[DGdaPilot]

hahaha this thread is funny.

 

[PCL_128]

I think we may be better served by an in-house union. It seems to work well at other airlines.

No it doesn't. At AirTran we just kicked out our worthless independent union and voted in ALPA because independent unions are nothing more than a giant toilet where your cash gets flushed every month. The improvement since getting ALPA on the property has been incredible.

I know ALPA will resist this effort vigorously. They fear losing the revenue more than anything else.

Getting rid of a carrier like ASA would be a break-even proposition for ALPA. You don't bring in any excess revenue. Only the legacies bring in more money than they spend. ALPA doesn't care about your revenue. They want to represent all pilots because it's best for all of us. One union gives our profession the most leverage.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

If you are tired, you should take your fat ass to bed...

Still waiting for an answer from you. Tell me how your new inhouse union will provide better Legal and Medical services than ALPA provides?

 

[sunlitpath]

No it doesn't. At AirTran we just kicked out our worthless independent union and voted in ALPA because independent unions are nothing more than a giant toilet where your cash gets flushed every month. The improvement since getting ALPA on the property has been incredible.


Did ALPA make you feel special over at Airtran? Did they tell you they would nickel and dime your little low cost carrier right out of business? What improvements have you seen?

 

[sunlitpath]

Still waiting for an answer from you. Tell me how your new inhouse union will provide better Legal and Medical services than ALPA provides?

Simple, just buy it.

 

[XPOO]

Wtf?!

ALPA doesn't care about your revenue.

I don't know how you can click submit after typing something as idoitic as this statement. Whatever drugs you are on, you either took too much or not enough.

 

[Dubya]

No it doesn't. At AirTran we just kicked out our worthless independent union and voted in ALPA because independent unions are nothing more than a giant toilet where your cash gets flushed every month. The improvement since getting ALPA on the property has been incredible.



Getting rid of a carrier like ASA would be a break-even proposition for ALPA. You don't bring in any excess revenue. Only the legacies bring in more money than they spend. ALPA doesn't care about your revenue. They want to represent all pilots because it's best for all of us. One union gives our profession the most leverage.

Excuse me a moment while I replace the batteries in my Bull Sh!t detector.


W

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Simple, just buy it.

Like I figured. No answer.

Let's just hope that when the Union elections start up again, you are not involved with this group of pilots who are going to take a run at it.

 

[Dubya]

Like I figured. No answer.

Let's just hope that when the Union elections start up again, you are not involved with this group of pilots who are going to take a run at it.

Nice. GMAFB. What are you going to do huh? You gonna do something? You gonna have a bunch of big union thugs around?
Spare us.

W

 

[sweptback]

I am tired of lame old ALPA and their tired old game. Let's start an in-house union at ASA. The dues would be less expensive and the service would be better. How do you vote out a union? I will ask my friends at US Air and see what it takes. It's time for a change.

Look, I'm sorry you're getting displaced. But that's because of the company cutting back -- I think your blame is misplaced to focus it on the union.

However I have a serious question for you. Why have you not tried to recall the reps if they're not doing what you want? If you are serious about this, that should have been your first step.

If you start a new in-house union, there will be a point where the leadership will do something that you do not agree with. How will you handle that then? Will you throw the union out and try to bring in the Teamsters this time?

 

[sunlitpath]

Recalling the Reps would still leave ALPA in place, stealing 2% of my salary and producing no significant value. If we have an in-house union, at least the decisions we make will be our own, along with any mistakes.

 

[Plainsman]

This will pass when we get some good news around this joint. Be it skywest furloughs or more flying, until then someone is going to get the blame. The company is happy about how alpa looks right now.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Nice. GMAFB. What are you going to do huh? You gonna do something? You gonna have a bunch of big union thugs around?
Spare us.

W

Re-read as necessary. I am looking forward to seeing who is involved with the group who keeps claiming they are waiting for the right time to announce their intentions.

I just hope it's a group of people with more than Sunlitpath's narrow viewpoint.

No need to dump ALPA as a whole. You don't like the way things are going here, change the leadership at ASA.

What are you going to do Dubya? Beat me up? Pretty comical. GMAFB!!

 

[BoilerUP]

Its much easier to be a keyboard commando than it is to actually participate & contribute to the benefit of a pilot group...

 

[WWEfan]

I don't know how you can click submit after typing something as idoitic as this statement. Whatever drugs you are on, you either took too much or not enough.

This is not idiotic at all. ALPA national only gets $2 million per year from the ASA pilot group. ASA ALPA spends over $4 million per year....even more during contract negotiations. You do the math.

Good luck running an in-house union on $1 million/year. Ever heard of the concept of "economies of scale?" ROFLMFAO!!!

 

[sunlitpath]

I have more faith in ASA pilots than I do in ALPA. There is nothing ALPA does for us that we can not do for ourselves. This change takes a lot of work and energy. That is why it has never taken flight before. It's not personal toward any Reps or the MEC. I just think it may be time for a change. Southwest pilots may be able to help with this also. I will research the components of an in-house union and see which elements may be of value to ASA.

 

[XPOO]

This is not idiotic at all. ALPA national only gets $2 million per year from the ASA pilot group. ASA ALPA spends over $4 million per year....even more during contract negotiations. You do the math.

Good luck running an in-house union on $1 million/year. Ever heard of the concept of "economies of scale?" ROFLMFAO!!!

If ALPA is not about the money, why don't they give all the pilots a break during these hard economic times and lower the dues from 1.9% to 1.8% then?

 

[sunlitpath]

Of course they care about our dues. Any union organization seeks to maximize its revenue.

 

[crj567]

I have more faith in ASA pilots than I do in ALPA. There is nothing ALPA does for us that we can not do for ourselves. This change takes a lot of work and energy. That is why it has never taken flight before. It's not personal toward any Reps or the MEC. I just think it may be time for a change. Southwest pilots may be able to help with this also. I will research the components of an in-house union and see which elements may be of value to ASA.

-I think I have sniffed this guy out already.... He is the one who writes an Anti-ALPA/Anti-Union letter to the editor to Aviation Week and USA Today twice a month.

-If this is who I think it is, he darn sure is not on our side-he is still trying to hose every last one of us.

 

[701EV]

I have never needed or used the legal/medical coverage at ALPA. I think most pilots never use it. So we are paying for services that are used by a few. That is an over payment right there. 1700 pilots multilpied by an average salary of $60,000 a year, multiplied by 1% (half of ALPA Dues) = $1,020,000. Yes, that is over one million dollars a year. ALPA is a scam. One million dollars a year buys a lot more coverage for medical and legal issues than ALPA provides. That tired old justification for keeping ALPA has expired. My god, that's a full time doctor and lawyer on call 24 hours a day! With money left over. Do the math. We are paying the bills for ALPA pilots at the majors. F those guys. They make twice as much. Let's start thinking of ASA pilots, We don't need ALPA

Sunlitpath,

Are you running for a union position at the next election?

Do you know what it cost to run a union?

Do you have Health and Auto insurance?

Ask a pilot who needed ALPA Medical or Legal help. In stead of saying "I think most pilots never use it."

Having a Physician and a Lawyer at your disposal 24hrs a day will cost you half a million.

Now having said that, ALPA is screwed up. Has National represented us fairly Hell No!

Right now I don't have much faith in our elected reps! It's time for ALL of them to GO.

It's time for a change top to bottom!

We need a Brad Holt in our own union leadership!

But I'm not ready to get rid of ALPA yet.

701EV

 

[Tarzan]

It's time for a change top to bottom!

We need a Brad Holt in our own union leadership!

But I'm not ready to get rid of ALPA yet.

701EV

Agreed 100%

 

[sweptback]

Of course they care about our dues. Any union organization seeks to maximize its revenue.

You should have thought about that before applying at a union airline.

 

[PCL_128]

If we have an in-house union, at least the decisions we make will be our own, along with any mistakes.

Your decisions (and mistakes) are already your own. ALPA national doesn't make decisions for you, as much as you wish they did just so you could pass the buck.

This is not idiotic at all. ALPA national only gets $2 million per year from the ASA pilot group. ASA ALPA spends over $4 million per year....even more during contract negotiations. You do the math.

Good luck running an in-house union on $1 million/year. Ever heard of the concept of "economies of scale?" ROFLMFAO!!!

Uh oh! Somebody who actually has facts! I'm sure sunlitpath will just ignore them, of course.