Legal to Start legal to finish??

[limpyoke]

Any one heard of this crap?

 

[arthompson]

No crap to it. The rules say you can't be scheduled over 8 hours in a day or over 30 hours in 7 days. The key word is *SCHEDULED* If you gate return, air return or divert and still maintain your original schedule for the day or if you start a day over 30/7 and over block you are legal to finish it. Scheduling Rules protect the pilots from being over worked by management, and they protect the company from A-Holes that intentionally over block to try to get out of work.

 

[svcta]

No crap to it. The rules say you can't be scheduled over 8 hours in a day or over 30 hours in 7 days. The key word is *SCHEDULED* If you gate return, air return or divert and still maintain your original schedule for the day or if you start a day over 30/7 and over block you are legal to finish it. Scheduling Rules protect the pilots from being over worked by management, and they protect the company from A-Holes that intentionally over block to try to get out of work.

Well, the flip side to that coin is that some companies routinely schedule a crew to max duty knowing full well that odds are they're getting more than legal limit out of them. So it's never been that evenly balanced in my experience.

 

[eaglefly]

legal for flighttime in a 24-hour period, but NOT legal for duty time.

 

[geardown]

If you are scheduled for 7:59 block and even the first leg goes 2 hrs over, you are still legal per the FARs to finish the whole days schedule as long as the don't change your schedule; i.e. flight number or city pair. The 16 hr duty day limitation is the only one that you can't exceed or your contract if it is more restrictive.

Fatigue would be the only thing that really gets you out of an excessivlely long day.

 

[PGTB]

If you start drinking before its cutoff time you are legal to finish after. Legal to Start, Legal to Finish.

 

[Beanie]

Wrong Art. You can fly more than 8 hours in a day(24 hour period). You have to perform a rolling look back after each flight segment and see the required rest within each 24 hour period. Any look back that does not include normal rest, must be no less than reduced rest. If you see reduced rest, then within 24 hours of the beginning of reduced you must begin compensatory rest.

Example:

You are begining this trip with the last three days off. Your duty time is 1200 local. You start your trip and fly 6 hours and duty off at 2200 local. You are normal rest of 9 hours. You duty back in at 0700. You fly 4 hours and duty off at 1200 local again. It has been 24 hours since you started your assignment and you have flown 10 hours. If you look back on the 24 however, you have the required rest (9 normal or 8 reduced) in that 24 hours. If you had been reduced to 8, then your compensatory rest would be 10 hours, to begin within 24 hours of when your started the reduced rest (2200 local in this case).

Here is how the legal to start, legal to finish comes into play. Let's say that your first duty period is scheduled for the 6 hours, but you get delayed half way through because of weather and you fly 9 hours instead. As long as your original schedule does not change, you do not "drop dead" at 8 hours of flying. Your normal rest in this case would now be 10 hours, reduced to 8, with 11 hours compensatory.

Duty time is different. There is no legal to start, legal to finish with duty time. If you are delayed and you can expect to exceed your 16 hour duty day, you cannot fly again until you have the required rest. If you are sitting at the gate and you have 14 hours of duty and one leg left that will cause you to duty out with 16 hours and 1 minute of duty time (flight plus the usual 15 minutes to duty out when the brake is set) you cannot fly that leg. You have dropped dead. This is also known as the Whitlow ruling.

KNOW THY SCHEDULING AND REST REQUIREMENTS. YOU WILL BE VIOLATED.

 

[wmuflyguy]

8 hours is between rest periods, not a 24hr period.

And 30hrs in 7 days is an actual flight time limitation.

 

[TheRaven]

8 hours is between rest periods, not a 24hr period.

And 30hrs in 7 days is an actual flight time limitation.

yes---but 30 in 7 can also be exceeded on the last day if you overfly....if you are projected under you can start the day...if projected over at the end of day 6 then they must modify your schedule so you are legal to start day 7..then you are legal to finish, regardless of how much you actually fly. The FAA can flag a company for unreasonable block times which consistently result in flight time exceedance, so most places don't play games too much lest their POI catch on and zap em with a fine.

 

[chperplt]

Wrong Art. You can fly more than 8 hours in a day(24 hour period). You have to perform a rolling look back after each flight segment and see the required rest within each 24 hour period. Any look back that does not include normal rest, must be no less than reduced rest. If you see reduced rest, then within 24 hours of the beginning of reduced you must begin compensatory rest.

KNOW THY SCHEDULING AND REST REQUIREMENTS. YOU WILL BE VIOLATED.

What he said.... It's really not that complicated if you break it down step by step. Keep yourself safe or be sure the company will self disclose in a second!

If anyone is truly confused about this, feel free to PM me. I did my Masters thesis in 121 flight time limitations and crew rest.