Legal right-seat time?

[Timebuilder]

OState.....

When you fly your 421 please do us all a favour and teach him something! Note in his logbook what you taught him and everything will be just fine.

As I said back in my very first post:

"Next, to log "dual-given" time legally you need to notate this in the "student's" logbook and sign it."

If you log dual-given in yours and not sign his, yes...your in violation.

~Ethically Challenged Fly~

The real issue is this:

Is this an instructional flight? No.

Maybe someone can help me out here. I've been given the chance to fly corporate trips in the right seat of a 421, though I am obviously not the primary pilot. The aircraft is rated for single pilot operations, however I have an MEI certificate, which says I'm legal to teach in this category and class. So in order for me to log PIC here, I have to log "Instruction Given" Am I stretching the rules here, and will the airlines question my PIC time in this 421???

The purpose of this flight is not instructional. Apparently, the pilot is fully qualified and current in the airplane. The person who wants to log dual given is not current in the airplane, and may in fact may never have flown in make and model. Nosehair pointed out that since the instruction being discussed is not for the purpose of a certificate or rating, the five hours of time in type is not a necessity.

What this boils down to is whether this passes the smell test. Does a qualified and current pilot have any perceptible need to receive instruction from someone who has no experience in his airplane? A weather lesson, if it were to be given, would have to have some reason to happen in flight, such as taking Barry Schiff along, and having him sign the pilot's logbook for instruction in use of weather avoidance radar, for example.

Mark is correct, I think, when he suggests that a CFI could help out with a crosswind landing, but I would be surprised if this corporate operator would place a PIC in the airplane that would need any help with crosswind landings, or any other topic that would warrant a logbook entry by anyone.

The only logical event is for our ride-along pilot to be receiving instruction in the operation of a 421, if that would be permitted by the operator. Becoming familiar with a new aircraft is a 100% legitimate purpose for instruction.

 

[100LL... Again!]

A non-qualified, zero-time-in-type pilot giving instruction to a qualified, experienced pilot on a REVENUE leg??!!

Please. Log it if you must, but be prepared to do some explaining.

Also, you are a fraud if you do this.

Log a little PIC on the pt91 legs. Otherwise, EARN your time by giving REAL instruction.

The piont made earlier is best - it does not matter ONE BIT how you think you can justify logging this time.

Walk into the local FSDO and explain your plan to four inspectors. If you can get even ONE to agree with you, then do it.

Good Luck...