Leaving a regional before reaching 1000 PIC?

[xjhawk]

excuse me?

I was having a conversation the other day with some friends and we were discussing this very topic. Figured I'd throw it out for further discussion.

With pretty much all the majors hiring now, is 1000 PIC that important anymore? I mean, the goal of getting that time was to get the better job, and if you could get the better job without all that time, do you need it? This assuming you are competitive for the job, etc.

Of course, if you don't have it and you're furloughed you're screwed, but you're probably also screwed if you have it too.

There's been a lot of movement at my airline recently, and it seems the guys I was talking to before they upgraded said they wanted 1000 PIC, and then after they upgraded they wanted out ASAP. Just seeing what everybody else thought...

lets look at this last paragraph.....they wanted a 1000 PIC before they upgraded......do you know that when you are not a captain, you cannot log PIC even if you are operating the controls.........I know someone who did that at a 135 operation and on her resume has a lot of PIC even though she has never been a captain. Buddy, its after you upgrade is when you log your PIC, it could take up to two years, depending on your airline schedule. Do not be that tool and log pic when you are operating the controls. I hope those that are doing that are caught when they apply at the majors....I hope the majors are looking into things like that.

 

[wings421]

I think that what he is saying is when talking with FOs, they all want to stay and get their 1000TPIC, but as soon as they upgrade, they get excited and want to move on without it... Nothing about logging PIC from the right seat. At least thats how I read it.

 

[Hovernut]

What about leaving w/o TPIC to fly SIC at an ACMI like Gemini, Kalitta, Evergreen, Omni, World and the like, building international heavy time? Several of these places type you in the right seat, too.

I would figure the international heavy experience would be some valuable time.

 

[xjhawk]

before they upgraded said they wanted 1000 PIC,

how do you get a thousand PIC before you upgrade? the way I read it, they are logging PIC before they upgrade....how is that?

the next line....

, and then after they upgraded they wanted out ASAP.

(then after logging 1000 PIC and then upgrading, leaving) now the way I see it, with the example I gave earlier, that some think that you can log PIC when being the sole manipulator of the controls.....which is an old way of thinking about things. But the practice continues.

just my two cents....

and I will say again, I hope the majors take a look at people with these numbers......"How again did you get so many PIC hours when you were only a captain at a regional for three months?"

 

[wings421]

xjhawk,

Not hard pal.

He said that he was talking to folks that wanted 1000TPIC before they upgraded (meaning before they upgraded they were in the mindset that they wanted 1000TPIC before they would leave. This means that they would stay for 1000 hours in the left seat.). Now that they have upgraded, they want to leave right away.

You are getting all in a tif over nothing. No one is logging PIC in the right seat.

 

[Beech Balls]

I left my regional job without 1000 TPIC, got furloughed, and left a second regional job without it. I sure wish I had it but at the same time when a better job came-a-knocking I bolted. So my advice: try for the 1000+ TPIC but if in the meanwhile a much better job comes up and you want it, take it.

PAY ATTENTION!!!!

DON'T LEAVE WITHOUT TURBINE PIC TIME AND A HEALTHY DOSE OF IT.

Example: You get your dream job at a major with LITTLE or NO PIC time (jet or prop doesn't matter btw...don't wanna hear it from our SJS afflicted newbs) ...
you get furloughed and you want another job. All you'll be able to get is right seat for $20/hr. in an RJ regardless of your total time. It's happened to a ton of furloughed pilots with over 10000 hrs TT.....learn from their mistakes!

DON'T GET CAUGHT WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN....Do the right thing and be patient...getting the time and exprience is not a guarantee of anything, but it sure will help down the road if you do happen to have an unfortunate bump in the road career-wise.
That being said, good luck to all...it's gonna be a weird ride.

 

[AZ Typed]

1000 PIC doesn't mean anything in corporate. These scam auding companies require 1500 TPIC to play the game corporate.

If you want real security from furloughs 'n such...get a 2nd skill outside of aviation.

AZT

 

[Klr2land]

Logging PIC Time in the Right Seat

If you already have an ATP and are qualified in the aircraft at an Part 121 operation as a SIC, an ATP may log time which he manipulates the controls as PIC for logging purposes.

Now, how the majors look at that time is another story, but it would count towards insurance requirements in the corporate world.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I think that what he is saying is when talking with FOs, they all want to stay and get their 1000TPIC, but as soon as they upgrade, they get excited and want to move on without it... Nothing about logging PIC from the right seat. At least thats how I read it.

Concur. That's how I interpreted it.

I've seen the same mindset. No one is logging PIC before upgrade, they are just of the mindset that they intend to log 1000 once they upgrade, but then once they do upgrade, the 1000 seems less important than a good opportunity that comes along. Tough call.

 

[BoilerUP]

If you already have an ATP and are qualified in the aircraft at an Part 121 operation as a SIC, an ATP may log time which he manipulates the controls as PIC for logging purposes.

You cannot log PIC unless you have a full type rating in the aircraft you are sole manipulating, regardless of having an ATP or not.

 

[CFI2766]

You cannot log PIC unless you have a full type rating in the aircraft you are sole manipulating, regardless of having an ATP or not.

This is my understanding, as well. That being said, could somebody please post a reg that clarifies this?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

You cannot log PIC unless you have a full type rating in the aircraft you are sole manipulating, regardless of having an ATP or not.

Even with a full Type rating you cannot log PIC until you are fully qualified on the line. If you are on your OE (OJT) you are not qualified on the line as a captain yet (although you have the type and an ATPL) therefore this time is to be loged as Dual Received.

 

[RompXS4D]

Funny I left before I upgraded at my regional, yet I had no trouble finding a new better flying job. This magic "1000" PIC turbine is merely an HR prescreen for unqualified candidates, not to say if you have less than 1000 PIC you are unqualified. You just may be in the eyes of non-pilots or computers that do the screening. It's different at every airline but that is basically what I have been told by many senior pilots at many airlines, that conduct interviews. I have a friend that left his regional early and went overseas for a while and came back and got hired by major without any PIC within a month. His international heavy time and his NAT, Class II Navigation experience and knowledge got him hired not the TPIC. It's all about who you know not necessarily what you know right away. Just get that resume on the CP or whoever is in charge of hiring desk that is a pilot not HR.

 

[Microclimates]

The question is what's so magical about 1000? Are you a better pilot at 1000 PIC than you were at 999 PIC? I'd conjecture that you're just as good at 1000 PIC as you were at 500 PIC. Why do so many airlines want 1000 PIC? I say if you upgraded and flew your 100 hours in type, it counts (and yes I have well over 1000 PIC).

Well, how about looking at the issue not in terms of flight time, but rather how long it takes the average person to get 1000 hours in 121. Superman/woman would hit 1000 exactly one year after upgrading.

So I guess that listing a requirement of 1k tpic is tantamount to saying: at least one year in the left seat before you apply, please.

To me this makes quite a bit of sense. In other industries your resume wouldn't show any position you've held for less than a year, if you wanted to be taken seriously... Any thoughts?

 

[BCpilot81]

I think there has always been a youthful disregard for paying your dues. Experience seems irrelevant when you don't have any experience.

But that does not mean that all of us do not believe in paying dues, and working 110% for a "future" gain. To make it worthwhile, at 26, I recognize the sacrifice all of us (for the most part) have made. The demands respect and definitely warrants a heaping spoon of keep your mouth shut. At the age of 26, I understand that the majority of people my age, and younger, feel entitled to fly jets straight out of school, but that 200 hour wonder will eventually bite them. Karma has a funny way of providing that. I do not own and Ipod, but I do not wear a hat, and my hair definitely screams frat boy. That does not mean I believe that I do not need to pay my dues, and further more (and more imporantly), does not mean I do not respect the people like yourself who have continuously fought to get to where you are.