Leave SWA for AA or Delta?

[vixin]

I just wish guys would stop quoting him. I still don't read his gibberish, but sometimes you still get a glance of his nonsense.

 

[bluesideup1]

I have him on the ignore list also. If everybody did that he woul go away because the only thing that keeps him/her alive is the response he gets. How many times can a person read the same thing and respond to it? It says a lot about the person that keeps responding to the idiot.

This ^^^^^^

TRIPOWER, REDFLYER, WAVE AND BUBBA. PUT HIM ON YOUR IGNORE LIST I AM TIRED OF READING HIS NON SENSE WHEN YOU QUOTE HIM.

Don?t argue with a fool for too long, because after a while, no-one can tell the difference between you.

 

[redflyer65]

Your absolutely right Blueside. Done.

 

[General Lee]

Ahahahaha! Those chumps can't handle the truth. Oh well...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Tripower455]

Did someone fart?

 

[General Lee]

Did someone fart?

Smells like Lubbock, I bet.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jetflier]

Just imagine for a moment.

5.5-6 yr FO, early 30s, at SWA.
Still in the bottom 10% (believe it or not.)

Upgrade is a total of 20-21 years.

Morale is getting stinky here.
We've bungled Hawaii, Class 2 nav, our route structure, we're late.
Our CEO is more focused on saving money than growth.
Contract neg. are going nowhere.

Work rules are ok, pay is good.

Given the massive retirements coming, would you consider leaving for AA or Delta??

Why or why not?
Discuss.....

Delduah...cause we are more hospitable than them yankees.....

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Pro SWA: Strong Balance sheet, good contract, seniority you already have.
Con SWA: stagnation, the possibility/probability of another acquisition or merger

Pro DL: Well managed and operated, lots of retirements
Con DL: balance sheet, present payrates in a/c you are likely to fly, outsourcing of flying at both top and bottom, vulnerability of being at the bottom of the list.

Pro AA: Whole Lots of retirements
Con: Balance sheet, present payrates in aircraft you are likely to fly, Outsourcing at both the top and bottom, vulnerability of being at the bottom of the list, Likely rightsizing and drama from merger.

Other considerations especially if you don't have faith in the US economy

EK: Money and living overseas not so good but upgrade to widebody Capt quickly which makes you very employable worldwide

Spirit: Likely upgrade quickly and make almost as much as a WN F/O of same longevity and as an Airbus Capt you are easily employable worldwide.

Beech take the above, study the companies, do the spreadsheets, and make up your own mind what works best for you and your family. It never hurts to interview and you don't have a decision to make until you are offered another job.

 

[General Lee]

Pro SWA: Strong Balance sheet, good contract, seniority you already have.
Con SWA: stagnation, the possibility/probability of another acquisition or merger

Pro DL: Well managed and operated, lots of retirements
Con DL: balance sheet, present payrates in a/c you are likely to fly, outsourcing of flying at both top and bottom, vulnerability of being at the bottom of the list.

Pro AA: Whole Lots of retirements
Con: Balance sheet, present payrates in aircraft you are likely to fly, Outsourcing at both the top and bottom, vulnerability of being at the bottom of the list, Likely rightsizing and drama from merger.

Other considerations especially if you don't have faith in the US economy

EK: Money and living overseas not so good but upgrade to widebody Capt quickly which makes you very employable worldwide

Spirit: Likely upgrade quickly and make almost as much as a WN F/O of same longevity and as an Airbus Capt you are easily employable worldwide.

Beech take the above, study the companies, do the spreadsheets, and make up your own mind what works best for you and your family. It never hurts to interview and you don't have a decision to make until you are offered another job.

Ummmm Con for DL isn't really correct. Balance sheet is poor?

Associated Press May 10, 2013 6:04 PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- Standard & Poor's Ratings Services raised its credit rating on Delta Air Lines Inc. Friday, pointing to Delta's improving financial position and its spending plans.

Standard & Poor's said Delta's financial profile is getting better, because its earnings are healthy and its spending in recent years has been moderate. S&P expects both of those trends to continue. The upgrade comes two days after Delta said it will start paying dividends again, and plans to return $1 billion to shareholders through those dividends and a stock buyback."



Present pay rates what??? Newhire pay is $68 an hour, $71 an hour in Jan, which is $30 more per hour than AA/US first year. Being at bottom of the list? Huh?? Huge retirement numbers that will come to fruition, 5000 in the next 10 years.

So, best management, highest new hire pay, no pay for type training, cleaning up balance sheet at $2 billion per year (unbelievable), profit sharing, variety in plane types and flying, unbelievable upward movement at end of the decade (800+ retiring each year for 4 straight years starting 2020), and smooth merger.

Outsourcing has been decreased at both sides of the spectrum. Mainline outsourcing via AK Air is being decreased, Korean Air just pulled code sharing on 90+ connections at DL, and 140 fewer RJs total will be flying for DCI within the next two years. Add 88 717s recapturing current DCI flying, and that's good.

Any more questions?

Oh, I have some more Cons for being a Corndog: boring, one plane forever, multiple leg days with quick turns, West Texas, unhappy 1/3 of pilot group, interesting merger, pay for type for new hires, and Islip.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

GL-

There have been lots of even keeled responses to the question- and you continue to sell DL and slam SWA. That's your deal. But in a final attempt to get you to shut up I offer you the "less is more" argument:

"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."
Robert M. Pirsig