Leave Eagle and go to CHQ?

[vtpilotmj]

Hey Guys,



Just wanted to get some opinions. I'm currently an FO on the ERJ at Eagle. Only been with them for aprox 6 mo. It doesn't look like I’ll be holding a line anytime soon, or upgrading for the next 6+ years. Have the opportunity to go to Chautauqua, also on the ERJ 145. I'm thinking that even though the pay isn't quite as good, the advantages to CHQ are; MUCH quicker upgrade, holding a line faster, and not worrying about more flowbacks from AA. Just curious to see what would you all do?

 

[Bluto]

I'd go to CHQ. At this point you don't have too much invested in Eagle. If your focus is career progression, go where the upgrade is.

 

[miles otoole]

Are you serious, dude? A 24 y.o. cfi asking about a company with a 2 year upgrade versus a 9 year upgrade? Partner, those flowbacks will be at Eagle, hanging on until they retire.

 

[91100 100 set]

You gotta do what works for you. Will the commute be better? Either, I'm sure this thread will take right off.

 

[Scooby74]

Back in 2000 when I was on the made hunt for a regional job I had this very choice. I interviewed at CHQ on a Monday...interviewed at Eagle on that Wednesday. I was fortunate enough to get job offers from both airlines. For my personal situation it came down to upgrade time.....CHQ (6-9 months) Eagle(4-5years). Of course I wanted the upgrade. CHQ upgrade time was 7 months. If I made the choice to fly for Eagle I would still be sitting in the right seat just getting ready to make the move to the left seat. I have a few friends that are still on the street after 911...so for one thing be thankful you have a job. On the other hand if you get the interview at CHQ and are then fortunate to get the job offer, then you have a choice to make. It sounds like right now you don't have a choice......get the ball rolling so that you do! Fly Safe

 

[CitationLover]

after a year when FedEx, AirTran, SWA (who has stopped), and UPS stop hiring where are you going with your PIC time?!?!

solely going to a company based on upgrade time is a BAD way to choose an airline job. last year people went to mesa for that quick <2yr upgrade. it is now standing at 4-5yr upgrade and will only get longer as the last 900 is delivered this year.

 

[capt. megadeth]

If you want to be an RJ FO forever, stay at Eagle.
If you ever want a chance to upgrade and MOVE ON, try for Chautauqua.

 

[Puke'n Eagle]

Citation Lover,
I disagree on this point, flying for a commuter is a career progression to build time and turbine PIC is the new buz word for HR. Young bucks need to get it where they can and it doesn't matter (minus the dirtbag companies) if it's Eagle, Mesa, CHQ,Trans States, etc. Where can he go? You know this industry is cyclical and hiring will always roller coaster but the guy with the most capt time wins. Corp or majors, the question is how much PIC do you have. And Left seat pay at most airlines is much greater than right seat pay so if you do get stuck at Mesa, it's better than six years at Eagle as an FO. Look at my title, that reflects two captain upgrades and I'm now a FO again. I expect it will take AA several years to recall. History repeats itselft from 1992 to 1997 when last this happened.
vtpilot, jump ship and go where you can PROGRESS. I assure you, UPS and FedEx do not care if you flew for Eagle or CHQ.

 

[vtpilotmj]

Scooby74, sorry I should have clarified, I did interview and was offered the job at Chautauqua.

Thanks for the advice!

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Have fun with the bottom feeders!

 

[8HRRULE]

Scooby74, sorry I should have clarified, I did interview and was offered the job at Chautauqua.

Thanks for the advice!

Dude, chitaco is just about the LAST place you would want to be right now. Things are starting to heat up over there. Wexford is using Republic to whipsaw chatauqua into a better contract and apparently its working. After republic merges with shuttle america, you are going to have a hornets nest. STAY AWAY!

 

[rightrudder]

Upgrade time at CHQ might be 2 years right now, but it may not be for you if you were hired today. How many pilots at CHQ? 1200 or so? In order to upgrade, the 600 or so FO's senior to you need to upgrade first. Not counting attrition, with 5 captains needed for each aircraft on the property, you'd need to get 120 additional aircraft deliveries until your number comes up. Will that happen in the next two years? Who knows, but i'd say it's not real likely.

 

[Chip]

8HRRULE is an idiot and shouldnt post about things he doesnt know. Republic bought Shuttle America Thursday. Now Chautauqua, Shuttle America, and Republic are property of Republic Airways Holdings, a Wexford Capital Comapany. All pilots flying under Republic Airways Holdings companies must be on the Chautauqua seniority list. (about to be a battle with the 100 Shuttle pilots for integration on CHQ list) Being that this language is in our contract, it is going to be VERY hard for Republic/CHQ management to whipsaw us with any other carrier; simply because all companies that Wexford Capital owns is under one seniority list, or will be very soon.

CHQ pilots won the battle against management to keep Republic Airways and Chautauqua (and any other aquired carrier, i.e. Shuttle) under ONE seniority list. End of story, whipsawing will not happen right now.

 

[ilinipilot]

I heard they are telling new hires a 10 mon upgrade to the 170.

Now, is there a seat lock or equip lock for the 145 FOs or can they get over to left seat of the 170 when its avail?

 

[Av8tor X]

vtpilotmj,



Scooby & Chip are correct. I too have been at CHQ a few years and I would not change anything if I had to do it all over again.

Chip is correct about the contract/whipsawing...not an issue in the grand scheme of things.

If a quick upgrade is important to you and you want to have fun while flying some great schedules while you wait a short period B4 you upgrade...I suggest take the offer and run! Why? In the last six years, I have seen with my own eyes what our company has done...truly great stuff. We put out a great product at a great price and we're a tight group of folks having a tremendous amount of FUN!. Call Rosa Monday! Get in before the growth explodes.

If I can answer any specific questions, send me a PM.

Av8tor X

 

[Av8tor X]

To any naysayers,


Keep in mind that at one point in time, many folks at the legacy carriers laughed at the folks that wanted to work at SWA...after all, SWA folks were some of the lowest paid 737 drivers in the country. But the folks at SWA had one thing that others did not seem to have.... L U V ! Now they are the standard that all others are desparately trying to live up to and they still have the LUV. Remember, its not only about money or yourself...think about it.

vtpilotmj,

If Rosa offered you the job, its a good sign that you fit in and you belong here!

 

[8HRRULE]

8HRRULE is an idiot and shouldnt post about things he doesnt know. Republic bought Shuttle America Thursday. Now Chautauqua, Shuttle America, and Republic are property of Republic Airways Holdings, a Wexford Capital Comapany. All pilots flying under Republic Airways Holdings companies must be on the Chautauqua seniority list. (about to be a battle with the 100 Shuttle pilots for integration on CHQ list) Being that this language is in our contract, it is going to be VERY hard for Republic/CHQ management to whipsaw us with any other carrier; simply because all companies that Wexford Capital owns is under one seniority list, or will be very soon.

CHQ pilots won the battle against management to keep Republic Airways and Chautauqua (and any other aquired carrier, i.e. Shuttle) under ONE seniority list. End of story, whipsawing will not happen right now.

Did I not just say that? You should choose your insults with a little more discretion.

 

[Scooby74]

VT,
Congrats on the job offer.....my advice take the first class date. See you on line Fly safe!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Dude, chitaco is just about the LAST place you would want to be right now. Things are starting to heat up over there. Wexford is using Republic to whipsaw chatauqua into a better contract and apparently its working. After republic merges with shuttle america, you are going to have a hornets nest. STAY AWAY!

Say what you want 8hr but as a newbie FO on the 170, I am pushing for a % hiring into the CHQ seniority list. ALL 100 pilots at SA are senior to me. But I am going to do what is RIGHT and welcome them with open arms (I know some SA were CHQ employess who went over to SA)

So what would that say to all the pilot groups out there. Every regional has their problems. CHQ's pilot group did a great thing and not staple SA pilots to the bottom of the list. I do not think that it is fair and I wouldnt want that done to me.

Sure it happend in the past but why should we repeat history. Again, Im new to this airline world and yes I know I am going to have a lot of pilots step in front of me but you know what, I know I will be captain some day, I am not worried. Its all good. I am more interested in quality of life and having FUN AT MY JOB, which I am by the way. So far everyone that I have flown with have been great and has been a priviledge (FA and pilots)

Say what you want now but when the time comes, I will be voting for a % flow through. The strong protect the weak and thats what I think CHQ should do towards SA

My 2 cents

PS God Bless The Pope

 

[8HRRULE]

Say what you want 8hr but as a newbie FO on the 170, I am pushing for a % hiring into the CHQ seniority list. ALL 100 pilots at SA are senior to me. But I am going to do what is RIGHT and welcome them with open arms (I know some SA were CHQ employess who went over to SA)

So what would that say to all the pilot groups out there. Every regional has their problems. CHQ's pilot group did a great thing and not staple SA pilots to the bottom of the list. I do not think that it is fair and I wouldnt want that done to me.

Sure it happend in the past but why should we repeat history. Again, Im new to this airline world and yes I know I am going to have a lot of pilots step in front of me but you know what, I know I will be captain some day, I am not worried. Its all good. I am more interested in quality of life and having FUN AT MY JOB, which I am by the way. So far everyone that I have flown with have been great and has been a priviledge (FA and pilots)

Say what you want now but when the time comes, I will be voting for a % flow through. The strong protect the weak and thats what I think CHQ should do towards SA

Dude, Respectfully, I disagree.

 

[jumppilot]

Dude, Respectfully, I disagree.

I agree with you.

SA pilots are going to be out of a job when the Saab leases expire, yet now they are coming over to CHQ. Why should they be senior to me, when I've been here longer??

There is only one solution....A solution over half of our pilot group supports...

EMB170 Pilot, the most senior FO on the list is a VERY JUNIOR FO overall. Your upgrade time is going to be a long ways away, and even then you're going to be upgrading in the 145. Would you want to delay that because some Saab driver comes over?

Think about it, 100 pilots is, at our current upgrade rate, about 6 months difference. Are you willing to delay upgrade that long to help out someone who would have been out of a job anyways? I'm all about helping out the SA pilots, but you have to look out for number one first.

Our growth WILL stop. Think about it.

EDIT: You say CHQ pilots did a great thing and not staple SA pilots to the bottom. Tell me, when did the ballots comes out, since this was just announced 2 days ago?

2EDIT: I'm open to many ideas, and the more I read from the IBT site, the more I realize there are many different ways to go about this. Perhaps a staple is not the greatest idea, but I encourage everyone to read the possible solutions and come to the decision on what affects them most.

 

[CitationLover]

Citation Lover,
I disagree on this point, flying for a commuter is a career progression to build time and turbine PIC is the new buz word for HR. Young bucks need to get it where they can and it doesn't matter (minus the dirtbag companies) if it's Eagle, Mesa, CHQ,Trans States, etc. Where can he go? You know this industry is cyclical and hiring will always roller coaster but the guy with the most capt time wins. Corp or majors, the question is how much PIC do you have. And Left seat pay at most airlines is much greater than right seat pay so if you do get stuck at Mesa, it's better than six years at Eagle as an FO. Look at my title, that reflects two captain upgrades and I'm now a FO again. I expect it will take AA several years to recall. History repeats itselft from 1992 to 1997 when last this happened.
vtpilot, jump ship and go where you can PROGRESS. I assure you, UPS and FedEx do not care if you flew for Eagle or CHQ.

by the time you upgrade and get your 1000hrs the hiring boom at fedex and ups will be over!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I agree with you.

SA pilots are going to be out of a job when the Saab leases expire, yet now they are coming over to CHQ. Why should they be senior to me, when I've been here longer??

There is only one solution....A solution over half of our pilot group supports...

EMB170 Pilot, the most senior FO on the list is a VERY JUNIOR FO overall. Your upgrade time is going to be a long ways away, and even then you're going to be upgrading in the 145. Would you want to delay that because some Saab driver comes over?

Think about it, 100 pilots is, at our current upgrade rate, about 6 months difference. Are you willing to delay upgrade that long to help out someone who would have been out of a job anyways? I'm all about helping out the SA pilots, but you have to look out for number one first.

Our growth WILL stop. Think about it.

EDIT: You say CHQ pilots did a great thing and not staple SA pilots to the bottom. Tell me, when did the ballots comes out, since this was just announced 2 days ago?

2EDIT: I'm open to many ideas, and the more I read from the IBT site, the more I realize there are many different ways to go about this. Perhaps a staple is not the greatest idea, but I encourage everyone to read the possible solutions and come to the decision on what affects them most.

Hey Jump The ONLY THING I do not want to happen is a staple. If our CHQ pilot group can come up with a solution to this problem, GREAT!! OUTSTANDING!! EXCELLENT!! I just do not want a staple PERIOD. I believe doing that, our actions will speak louder than words.