Lear question

[Lear60Guy]

Which Lears are single pilot certified?

 

[CUEBOAT]

none of them

 

[CapnVegetto]

I believe there is a guy that has a special single pilot certified Lear 24 that he uses for airshows, (acrobatics and stuff), but he's got special permission from the feds, the A/C is VERY restricted, and he can't carry PAX, etc.

For normal ops, CUEBOAT is right......NO Lears are SP certified. Although that is what Bill Lear originally intended in the design of the early 20 series, the feds answered with an emphatic NO.

 

[Lear60Guy]

thats what i thought... why is it that the some of the citations are single pilot certified but none of the Lears are?

 

[CapnVegetto]

Lears are faster, less stable, more of a handful, higher approach speeds, higher workload, etc. Citations are slow, stable and easy to fly. Even when the Citations are flown SP, they're restricted too. No more than 12,500 MTOW, even though the older straight II's can take off with up to 2,000 lbs more than that.

 

[Lear60Guy]

I believe there is a guy that has a special single pilot certified Lear 24 that he uses for airshows, (acrobatics and stuff), but he's got special permission from the feds, the A/C is VERY restricted, and he can't carry PAX, etc.

Bobby Younkin. i got to see his show this past summer, it was awesome to see a lear so far out of its normal flight routine...

 

[CapnVegetto]

Might be him...I dunno. I'd sure like to see that!!

 

[CUEBOAT]

more than likely because citations are slower. Someone once told me some garbage about the gear handle location, i don't buy that, who knows they may be right, stranger things have happened. A person could just as easily bend some metal in a citation single pilot as a person could in a lear, anyone know the real answer?

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[CapnVegetto]

more than likely because citations are slower. Someone once told me some garbage about the gear handle location, i don't buy that, who knows they may be right, stranger things have happened. A person could just as easily bend some metal in a citation single pilot as a person could in a lear, anyone know the real answer?

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You're right, it's just the speed an handling characteristics. Cessna designed it specifically for that. There were things that had to be complied with, (i.e. the ident button on the yoke thing), but it's the flight characteristics of the airplane, and the design of the cockpit that got it the single pilot certification.

 

[rchcfi]

Which Lears are single pilot certified?

Does the Lear Fan count?

 

[CapnVegetto]

They started fans with the 35's. By then they had given up on the SP dream. NONE of the lears are SP certified. New, old, none. They're good airplanes, though!

 

[rchcfi]

I was being sarcastic with that one...sorry....I didn't mean bypass fans, I meant these "fans".

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Hanisko/3364.htm

Cheers

 

[CapnVegetto]

Ohhh......OK. I guess my word of the day is

DUUUUUHHHH.

 

[TurboS7]

Shoot I was ready for a real Lear question, like how many diffrent wings there are and how are they diffrent.

 

[91100 100 set]

Single pilot certification for the Citations entails some certain criteria such as the

Pratt JT15's
the long wing
A txpd ident mounted on the yoke

And a few others. I would imagine it's because it's not quite as much of a handful as a Lear.

The part about the yoke-mounted ident button cracked me up a little. Never once have I felt overloaded finding the ident button on the radios. I have bumped hands with the other guy when we both reach for it though.

 

[njcapt]

The part about the yoke-mounted ident button cracked me up a little. Never once have I felt overloaded finding the ident button on the radios. I have bumped hands with the other guy when we both reach for it though.

Really, that doesn't make you gay.

 

[CorpLearDriver]

Does the Lear Fan count?

LOL. It probably would have been, but it was never certified.

 

[saltyworks]

I used to fly a 24A that was a was a prototype for sigle pilot, it had the gear and many other swiths on the left side of the pannel. It's my understanding that Lear tried to have it single pilot cert, but because of the many 23 crashes it never happened.

 

[91100 100 set]

Really, that doesn't make you gay.

Nah, but it is a magic moment every time it happens...