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Big Slick

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LCC Pattern Shift In New England

More Pressure on Southwest at MHT
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]On May 23, 2006 jetBlue will begin four daily A320 flights between Portland, ME and New York - Kennedy. This is big-iron flying. Lots of seats. Lots of low fares. And, as noted below, possibly another indication of challenges for Southwest.[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]PWM is a prime market for jetBlue. Approximately 25% of summer visitors to Maine are generated from points in Florida, and that represents new feed potential through the jetBlue JFK operation. While B6 currently does relatively minimal connecting at JFK, that situation will need to shift somewhat in the next 18 months as capacity and competition in the NE-Florida markets increases. (Don't bet on any reductions in service - even the recent shifts by Delta are not necessarily much to get excited about.)[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]Southwest Under Pressure. But the real message is the potential deterioration of Southwest's position in the Boston/New England marketplace. The initial strategy of straddling BOS with service at MHT in the north and PVD in the south initially made sense, as Logan essentially had no low fare service to speak of. [/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]Enter jetBlue into BOS, and this started to change. Much improved ground access to Logan - which historically was about as convenient as navigating the Burma Road, also will be a factor in moving consumer preferences back to Boston. [/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]The situation is not hard to define: jetBlue at Boston threatens much of the underpinnings of the WN traffic base at PVD and MHT. The PWM service will also deprivehttp://www.airportsusa.com/images/pwmbox1.jpg WN of some of the traffic it's now enjoying from Southern Maine. Conclusion: Southwest's peripheral airport strategy in New England is in question.[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]What this means for the players involved:[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]jetBlue will pick a significant amount of local New York traffic and flow traffic for its system. jetBlue obviously means business in PWM: it is dedicating A320's to the route as opposed to smaller E-190s. (A note on equipment selection: the assignment of the larger jets not only allow jetBlue to have the maximum market impact, it may also help with A320 rotations at JFK, while leaving the E-190s open to serve new cities in the South and Midwest).[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]Portland will see a clear re-establishment of traffic growth rates. On an annualized basis, look for almost 150,000 net new passengers per year for PWM. [/FONT]

[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]Manchester - The Traffic Bloom's Fixin' To Fade. When Southwest commenced service to Manchester and started its traffic boom, the airport's catchment area for low-fare service extended from the Boston area up the I-93, as well as to some degree from Southern Maine and Coastal New Hampshire.[/FONT]​
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]Now that jetBlue (and other carriers in BOS) have established closer-to-home alternatives, MHT's ability to draw this traffic has diminished. Add this to the fact that MHT traffic is suffering from the loss of FlyI as well, and you get an airport that should at best see traffic flat in 2006, and possibly through 2007 as well. (As a side note, we don't expect the new PWM service to have a noticeable effect on BGR traffic. These airports are far enough apart that their catchment areas do not overlap significantly).[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]http://www.airportsusa.com/images/pwm3.JPGWhile Southwest still has enough unique destinations from MHT to hold its own against BOS and PWM competition, it no longer has the luxury of being the dominant LCC in the region. jetBlue will be adding more nonstop destinations at Boston, which should further reduce the ability of Southwest to generate reverse-leakage from the Boston area to MHT and PVD.[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]Not News To Our Clients. As The Boyd Group's traffic trend forecasts were alone in predicting over two years ago, the rosy future for LCCs that most analysts have been spouting is little more than empty mantras. [/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]The fact is that the future for LCCs isn't assured. Intra-LCC competition is taking root in New England, and this is just the start. This was first covered at our Annual Forecast Conferences, long before it manifested in the marketplace. New emerging trends will be discussed at this year's conference being held in Deer Valley, Utah October 8-10. For details, and to register, click here.[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]The [/FONT]Airports:USA[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida] forecasts for Portland and Manchester have been updated for subscribers. Not a subscriber? [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, Lucida, Verdana]Click here[/FONT][FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida] to learn more.[/FONT]
 
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[FONT=tahoma,verdana,lucida]While Southwest still has enough unique destinations from MHT to hold its own against BOS and PWM competition, it no longer has the luxury of being the dominant LCC in the region. jetBlue will be adding more nonstop destinations at Boston, which should further reduce the ability of Southwest to generate reverse-leakage from the Boston area to MHT and PVD.[/FONT]

Slick,

I'm just wondering if you ever post anything that you actually thought up OR anything that does not bash SWA? The articles that you cut and paste are great, but put a little thought into them and take your emotional contempt for SWA out of the picture before you post anymore of this rubbish. I'll believe that SWA is in trouble and that JetBlue is a strong player in the NE market as soon as JB has another quarter in which they report actual earnings to their shareholders (already reported a loss for the first quarter this year...oops, there goes the great plan). Unless you've forgotten, it's not a great business model that makes an airline look competitive, it's their profits. SWA's never been hurting there. Think about it. Peace.

Guch
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guccistyle said:
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Slick,

I'm just wondering if you ever post anything that you actually thought up OR anything that does not bash SWA? The articles that you cut and paste are great, but put a little thought into them and take your emotional contempt for SWA out of the picture before you post anymore of this rubbish. I'll believe that SWA is in trouble and that JetBlue is a strong player in the NE market as soon as JB has another quarter in which they report actual earnings to their shareholders (already reported a loss for the first quarter this year...oops, there goes the great plan). Unless you've forgotten, it's not a great business model that makes an airline look competitive, it's their profits. SWA's never been hurting there. Think about it. Peace.

Guch
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You're a little too sensitive there SW guy. It also looks pretty obvious you have the same "emotional contempt" for JetBlue since you're advertising they lost money in the first quarter of this year. (Hint: first quarter is not over)
 
guccistyle said:
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Slick,

I'm just wondering if you ever post anything that you actually thought up OR anything that does not bash SWA? The articles that you cut and paste are great, but put a little thought into them and take your emotional contempt for SWA out of the picture before you post anymore of this rubbish. I'll believe that SWA is in trouble and that JetBlue is a strong player in the NE market as soon as JB has another quarter in which they report actual earnings to their shareholders (already reported a loss for the first quarter this year...oops, there goes the great plan). Unless you've forgotten, it's not a great business model that makes an airline look competitive, it's their profits. SWA's never been hurting there. Think about it. Peace.

Guch
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With your arrogance you'll make a nice fit with SWA f/o and some of the others on this board.
 
Hair-on-Fire said:
You're a little too sensitive there SW guy. It also looks pretty obvious you have the same "emotional contempt" for JetBlue since you're advertising they lost money in the first quarter of this year. (Hint: first quarter is not over)

I probably came off a bit harsh on JetBlue because my intent was certainly not to bash them. Several good dudes from my squadron fly for them and I only wish those guys the best. I know too many airline dudes that are furloughed and down in the dumps to wish for negative things for any of them. Never the less, the reality is that JBL is not exactly knocking the socks off of SWA in the Northeast markets in which they directly compete. If you don't believe me, read the financials:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060310/jetblue_mover.html?.v=1

However, all of you SWA bashers need to chill a bit instead of wishing the worst upon all of us. Slick is one of the worst of them all, but doesn't even take the time (or brainpower) to think about these Boyd articles before he openly shares them with the rest of us. How about second guessing some of the stuff you see in print Slick? Ever crossed your narrow mind? Doubtful.
Peace.

Guch
 
guccistyle said:
Never the less, the reality is that JBL is not exactly knocking the socks off of SWA in the Northeast markets in which they directly compete. If you don't believe me, read the financials:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060310/jetblue_mover.html?.v=1

However, all of you SWA bashers need to chill a bit instead of wishing the worst upon all of us. Slick is one of the worst of them all, but doesn't even take the time (or brainpower) to think about these Boyd articles before he openly shares them with the rest of us. How about second guessing some of the stuff you see in print Slick? Ever crossed your narrow mind? Doubtful.
Peace.

Guch

Maybe it’s you that need the class in reading comprehension. Where exactly in this article does it address the profitablility of routes that JetBlue competes with SW on?

Overall, I think you need to be happy with the fact that SW has made money for the last 30 years and quit getting your panties in a bunch like a little girl when someone dares to suggest something negative.

Also, hate to break it to you, but you don’t make the posting rules in Flight Info. Big Slick posted an article just like is done every day here. I suppose he knew you sensitive boys would make enough comments for everyone.
 
furlough-boy said:
Maybe it’s you that need the class in reading comprehension. Where exactly in this article does it address the profitablility of routes that JetBlue competes with SW on?

It's addressed in the fact that JBL just posted its first quarter of losses AND in the fact that financial analysts are already downgrading their stock for the remainder of this year. Sound like a company that's doing well in its business plan or in competition with other carriers? Look at the big picture man. Next you'll probably ask me to draw it out for you with crayons. I'll try to figure out how to do that before your next intellectual post. Now go back to playing with your erector set and let the big boys talk on the forum alone. Peace.

Guch
 
"Personally, I like that SWA/FO is such a huge proponent of the company and consistently stands up against all of the disenchanted naysayers (Slick). If you're looking for a basis on which to judge the SWA pilot group, how about looking at their productivity and professionalism on the job? It shouldn't be too hard for the most narrow-minded of you to find that those numbers speak for themselves. I applaud a dude that continues to have strong responses on behalf of the company he loves to work for. Keep it up bud! Peace.

Guch"

Got that from another thread, Gucci. Where's the consistency? Why can't the bubbas that defend jb get the same kind of respect from you? And it's worth mentioning once again ... THE FIRST QUARTER IS NOT OVER. We haven't posted a loss, because THE FIRST QUARTER IS NOT OVER.

Remember, tanking is a manly profession as long as you're not the receiver.
 
Bavarian Chef said:
And it's worth mentioning once again ... THE FIRST QUARTER IS NOT OVER. We haven't posted a loss, because THE FIRST QUARTER IS NOT OVER.

Remember, tanking is a manly profession as long as you're not the receiver.

I dig it that you are defending JBLU. It's just too bad that there are so many stones being thrown to make you (and I) have to go on the defensive. Slick posting his ignorant SWA bashing articles is not defending anyone, it's only igniting the fire...and shedding some light on his contempt for companies other than his own. I wish you and JBLU luck in the future, but since we are now nitpicking, you should understand that JBLU did actually post a loss. This is not JBLU bashing, just the facts:

February 01, 2006 03:12 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - JetBlue Airways Corp. on Wednesday posted a wider-than-expected quarterly loss as high fuel costs and competition squeezed earnings, and said it would also lose money in 2006, sending its shares down more than 13 percent.
The loss was JetBlue's first since going public in 2002. Analysts said they were more concerned that the carrier had forecast losses for the first quarter and the full year.
JetBlue, the No. 2 U.S. low-cost carrier, reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $42.4 million, or 25 cents a share, compared with a net profit of $1.5 million, or 1 cent a share, a year earlier.

Read on if you'd like...

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Symbol=US:LUV&Feed=OBR&Date=20060201&ID=5466338

Guch
 
Why?

Why are you SWA types so sensitive? What do you care if somebody says something negative about SWA? Heck most of us work for carriers that get nothing but bad press. Get a thicker skin man, it's the biz...!
 
xanderman said:
Why are you SWA types so sensitive? What do you care if somebody says something negative about SWA? Heck most of us work for carriers that get nothing but bad press. Get a thicker skin man, it's the biz...!

Dude,
I've been asking myself the same thing for months. You'd think you were talking $hit about their mother the way some of them act. ;)
 
guccistyle said:
I dig it that you are defending JBLU. It's just too bad that there are so many stones being thrown to make you (and I) have to go on the defensive. Slick posting his ignorant SWA bashing articles is not defending anyone, it's only igniting the fire...and shedding some light on his contempt for companies other than his own. I wish you and JBLU luck in the future, but since we are now nitpicking, you should understand that JBLU did actually post a loss. This is not JBLU bashing, just the facts:

February 01, 2006 03:12 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - JetBlue Airways Corp. on Wednesday posted a wider-than-expected quarterly loss as high fuel costs and competition squeezed earnings, and said it would also lose money in 2006, sending its shares down more than 13 percent.
The loss was JetBlue's first since going public in 2002. Analysts said they were more concerned that the carrier had forecast losses for the first quarter and the full year.
JetBlue, the No. 2 U.S. low-cost carrier, reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $42.4 million, or 25 cents a share, compared with a net profit of $1.5 million, or 1 cent a share, a year earlier.

Read on if you'd like...

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Symbol=US:LUV&Feed=OBR&Date=20060201&ID=5466338

Guch

You know what, Gucci, I went back and looked at that link. We are arguing semantics thrown in with a little miscommunication. Yes, jb posted its first quarterly loss (for the 4th quarter of 2005) -- I took your post to mean a loss in the first quarter. Oh well, and I thought I knew how to read.

And to think we had 18 straight profitable quarters before that.
 
How quickly the picture would change in NE if SWA dedicated several daily non stops to FLA out of Portland bypassing the NY stop the others would have to make. I wouldn't count SWA out of the picture so quickly.
 
hawkerjet said:
How quickly the picture would change in NE if SWA dedicated several daily non stops to FLA out of Portland bypassing the NY stop the others would have to make. I wouldn't count SWA out of the picture so quickly.

Exactly, they will wait to see the typical loads and fares to determine weather or not it's advantageous on their part
 

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