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Law Firm says all Q400s should be grounded!

rchcfi

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Funny, I didn't think the NTSB has come up with a probable cause for this accident yet. SCUM SUCKING piece of you know what ambulance chasing dirtbags!

Nolan Law Group: Q400 Turboprops Operated by Colgan Air Need to Be Grounded

  • Friday February 20, 2009, 1:06 pm EST
CHICAGO, Feb. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Colgan Air Dash 8-Q400 airplanes like the one that crashed from in-flight icing need to be barred from operating on routes where icing is possible.
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) cannot assure the public that the airplane has been thoroughly tested before approval for airline service, that Colgan Air has the training procedures in place to assure that crews can safely fly in icing conditions, or that a crew of average ability (the FAA standard) can handle meteorological conditions of less-than-severe icing.
Until answers about the cause of the 12 February 2009 crash can be definitively provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), prudence would dictate not flying these aircraft in icing conditions.
"The FAA cannot tell us that this aircraft is safe," said Don Nolan, who has successfully represented many clients injured, killed or widowed by icing related mishaps. "The crash of Continental Connection flight 3407 (operated by Colgan Air) is yet another where the air carrier, the industry, and the FAA resort to comforting blandishments about safety and subsequent revelations reveal deep concerns."
The concerns about this latest icing crash are many:
-- One factor common to all turboprop icing events is sudden wing drop. The uneven build-up of ice on areas of the wing unprotected by de-ice boots may be a factor. Contributing to the danger may be the differential activation of the de-ice boots. Further, the propwash from two engines rotating in the same direction can cause ice to accrete unevenly.
-- All of which adds up to an airplane vulnerable to stall prior to reaching published stall speeds or the speed at which lift-producing airflow over the wings is disrupted.
-- Further, the control yoke is equipped with a stick shaker to warn the flight crew of approach to stall. This critical safety feature likely did not activate in a timely manner in the Colgan Air crash. If the stick shaker did not activate soon enough to give the crew an opportunity to prevent a stall, the warning was therefore untimely and represents a design defect.
-- The crew's correct reaction to stick pusher activation is critical. Reportedly, stick pusher training was not provided to Colgan Air pilots. If this is so, the crews are not adequately trained to handle imminent stalls in icing conditions. Aircraft and crew deficiencies may combine with fatal effect.
-- Colgan Air is a new operator of the Dash 8-Q400, which means this is the first winter operating this model for most of the Colgan crews. The amount and type of simulator training and periodic updates on operations in icing conditions is unknown. Other global investigative bodies investigating icing- related mishaps have documented shortcomings in crew training and awareness. Until the NTSB investigation is complete, Colgan crews ought not be permitted to operate this aircraft in icing conditions.
-- Most icing-related crashes occur within the conditions prescribed by the FAA for aircraft certification. This being the case, aircraft are regularly dispatched to fly in conditions of less-than-severe icing where they are vulnerable to crashing. For example, the 2005 icing related crash of a Cessna Citation V business jet on approach to Pueblo, Colo., was not in severe icing.
-- For purposes of insuring the safety of the flying public, and until proven otherwise, we need to assume, as is likely the case, that the conditions on 12 February were not "severe" icing. Since airplanes have crashed in icing less than severe, an immediate precautionary halt to operations by Colgan Air of Dash 8-Q400s airplanes in icing conditions is necessary to forestall further tragedy.
Jim Hall, an attorney with Nolan Law Group and former Chairman of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board added, "The FAA cannot demonstrate the Dash 8-Q400 can be safely operated by Colgan Air within the airplane's certification requirements. For the safety of the flying public, the Q400 turboprops operated by Colgan Air should be barred from operating in icing conditions. Declaring an operation to be safe, in the absence of conclusive proof, is not sufficient."
Nolan Law Group has represented dozens of victims of icing-related crashes in recent years and has pre-eminent experience in the hazards associated with inadequate aircraft design and substandard crew training and awareness of ice- contaminated airplanes.
 

WSurf

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jeeez us christ!

crash investigation not even complete....

Lawyers, I guess this shouldn't surpise any of us.

Whats next, sue Gulfstream Academy because the crews of the last 3 regionals that had crashes came from there......

This is sad.
 

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well, it sure seems to me they demostrated it about 27 mintutes later, Nolan, you coxsuker!!! and for you , Hall, you coxsuker!!
 

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Jim Hall, an attorney with Nolan Law Group and former Chairman of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board added, " Declaring an operation to be safe, in the absence of conclusive proof, is not sufficient."

So Jimmy Boy, did you pass the bar exam with 100%? 'Cause if you didn't there is absence of conclusive proof that you should really be practicing law. I don't want me one of them there insufficient lawyer types!

Toolbag!
 

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Jim Hall should:

a) know better

b) keep his yap shut

c) be ready to be sued by Colgan & Bombardier!

We aren't remotely close to a probable cause being released by the NTSB. And even if everything he's saying is true (there is no basis for thinking the Dash8 or Q400 can't handle ice & lots of it by the way), then his real beef is with the FAA who approved and supervised the training, the airline, and the aircraft. Can't sue the FAA, though, can ya Jimmy boy?

Or maybe he has shares in Greyhound and just wants to shut down the entire domestic airline industry in winter IFR conditions. Oh, wait, Greyhound and icy roads... Maybe not.
 
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q100

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I kinda hope it's not an icing-related crash, just to poke a stick in the eye of the Nolan Law Firm & Jim Hall.
 

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All these attorney's are not allowed to actively contact victims families for 75 days, however, the families can call them. As a victim, who do you call? Of course those who have been in the press the most making the wildest claims. I'm sure once these articles are published, the law firm is standing by with extra receptionists to answer the phones and offer condolences.
"This won't cost you a dime to litigate. All I ask is for 60%."
 

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Did anyone else notice how much conditional language there was in that little press release (may, likely, assume, etc)?

Wow, amazing. We should all give them a call if this turns out to have nothing to do with icing.
 

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All these attorney's are not allowed to actively contact victims families for 75 days, however, the families can call them. As a victim, who do you call? Of course those who have been in the press the most making the wildest claims. I'm sure once these articles are published, the law firm is standing by with extra receptionists to answer the phones and offer condolences.
"This won't cost you a dime to litigate. All I ask is for 60%."

Exactly.

Also, Nolan Group is a well-known aviation ambulance-chaser. If they don't have clients from the crash yet, they will soon so they might just be trying to flavor public opinion in advance of the trial...kind of like chumming the jury pool.
 

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----- The crew's correct reaction to stick pusher activation is critical. Reportedly, stick pusher training was not provided to Colgan Air pilots. -----

Come on. :rolleyes:

My eyes are bleeding
 

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I agree with you all but unfortunatly, the Nolan Group and Mr. Hall will Make a lot of Ca$h for themselves on this accident.
 

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While we are on the subject matter, what is the prior history of this aircraft related to icing and accidents/incidents with other carriers, worldwide?
 

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THis aircraft has been around for a number of years and has flown in winter conditions all over the world with no problems.

I use to respect Jim Hall.
 

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Also out of Canada an airline named Porter flies the the Q-400. So you know they are in and out of winter conditions all the time.
 
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