Latest NJA upgrade time

[gunfyter]

Beats indefinite upgrades or never upgrading at the majors. It's not a question of how long to upgrade there but how long before getting furloughed.

I'll take a 7 yr upgrade with job security and a livable income anyday over that.

You have chosen wisely.

 

[acaTerry]

And this is one of the reasons I am so glad they airline us around...reminding me of what I am so glad to not be doing anymore. A slow upgrade at NJA is still better than a fast upgrade in that Dash, 1900, RJ, whatever...making more here as a beechjunk copilot at year 4 than I was as a 4 year CRJ captain. And the working environment here is better. We have too many guys dying to be here than to listen to folks who begged stole and borrowed to get here and then complain about not upgrading right away.

 

[gunfyter]

Terry,

I think the point of the thread is to have people realize that upgrade times are not what they once were ... so they don't have cause to complain when they do not upgrade as quickly as they may have been led to believe in the interview or from friends who came before them.

**Past Performance is no guarantee of future returns.**
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[acaTerry]

Terry,

I think the point of the thread is to have people realize that upgrade times are not what they once were ... so they don't have cause to complain when they do not upgrade as quickly as they may have been led to believe in the interview or from friends who came before them.

**Past Performance is no guarantee of future returns.**
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That was the gist of my post. But I guess rotorheads need a little help reading:laugh:

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I don't dispute that it was a good raise that brought us up to NBAA copilot pay. However, inflation compounded over 4 years will certainly hurt us. We won't be making in real dollars what we are making today and that makes staying in the right seat more painful.

Our pay increases at current dollars:

Year 2 3.5%
Year 3 8.3%
Year 4 3.5%
Year 5 3.5%
Year 6 6.5%
Year 7 3.5%

I don't thing we'll be standing in the soup lines any time soon.

 

[Helmsalee]

When I was hired at a major in 1976 they told me I would be a captain in 5 years. Two mergers and a bankruptcy later, it took 21.5. You cannot predict the future. Just take what comes and make the best of it. You will be much happier.

 

[Fozzy]

Now if we could just replace this Honeywell setup with something from Apple.

A TRS-80 would be an improvement over Honeywell.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Our pay increases at current dollars:

Year 2 3.5%
Year 3 8.3%
Year 4 3.5%
Year 5 3.5%
Year 6 6.5%
Year 7 3.5%

I don't thing we'll be standing in the soup lines any time soon.

The average inflation rate since 2000 has been 2.78%. So the 'real' pay increase are as follows:
Year 2: 0.7%
Year 3: 5.6%
Year 4: 0.7%
Year 5: 0.7%
Year 6: 3.7%
Year 7: 0.7%

2.78% inflation rate DOES NOT reflect the current oil price of $130 which makes everything more expensive. The "real" pay increases therefore will most likely be even less.

Pilots, unlike other professions, do not have numerous improvements in rank: assistant supervisor, supervisor, assistant manager, manager, general manager, VP of department, etc, etc...Therefore, It is essential that pilot pay-scales reflect the increase in proficiency and experience of a pilot over time.

Having said that, ALL of your 121 brothers/sisters will likely see 20 to 100% pay cuts!! Comparing apples to apples, NJA is a pretty sweet deal.

 

[rydog]

A few hundred dollar surcharge wont persuade any of them to take Southwest Airlines.

Try $1,000 to $2300 per hour. It ain't chump change even for the rich.

Will it affect most? Probably not. NJA isn't immune, but we are best positioned to absorb or pass on the cost.

 

[skyward80]

Is there a coordinated initiative among NJA pilots to help save the company money on things such as fuel costs? I'm sure most pilots find ways to help save the company money (run the APU less, flying planned speeds, etc.) just wondering if it's a coordinated effort or more of an individual one.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NJA pilots come up with a coordinated effort on savings before management starts asking for it.

Skyward80

 

[captain dad]

They give us numbers to pull the power back on ferry legs to save gas, as long as it doesn't make us late.

I haven't flown with anyone that has been knowingly wasteful, but it is kind of relative. I mean we are a luxury transportation business. We don't skimp on amenities or comfort.

In short you get what you pay for and yes our peanuts are complementary...and the wine, and the soda, and the chips, and the champagne, and the candy, and the booze, and the cookies,...