Latest Age 65 BS...Group wants them all back...

[michael707767]

That's the whole point, Neal.

The SPC isn't trying to sue anyone; they're calling the bill "unconstitutional" on the very basis you are quoting and are pushing for a Supreme Court ruling to invalidate the bill.

which raises the question, if the Supreme Court declares the bill unconstitutional, does it mean everyone over 60 has to retire that day?

 

[BeCareful!]

Yeah, if they succeed, can we just go back to Age 60?

 

[Lear70]

Have no idea... possibly. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a HIE last night, just understand what they're trying to do (and I don't like it).

Nasty catch-22 for the SPC. Hope they think before they go jumping off the deep end, might have some "unintended consequences".

 

[instructordude]

which raises the question, if the Supreme Court declares the bill unconstitutional, does it mean everyone over 60 has to retire that day?

If the bill is ruled unconstitutional then it is toast, everything. Interested parties would be required to redo the process. Law would go back to its original form. Wow, that would get some guys fired up.:bomb:

 

[flatspin7]

If the bill is ruled unconstitutional then it is toast, everything. Interested parties would be required to redo the process. Law would go back to its original form. Wow, that would get some guys fired up.:bomb:

That is exactly what would happen... if the courts were to declare the law unconstitutional (not going to happen) then the age 60 rule would be back in effect... The other side of it is that it would take so long in the courts that anyone who turned 60 on December 12th would probably be very close to 65 or beyond it after it worked it way all the way through the courts and appeals and what not.
The airlines dont want to spend the money to re-train a pilot that has been retired for a year that they are only going to get 2-3 years of service from when they can hire a new person that they can abuse for 20-30 years.
So really its moot.


I thought the effect of the rule was going to be bad at CAL but I just had a Fedex guy on the jumpseat who told me that they have 150-200 over 60 FEs that are allowed to move back into the right or left seat, but they can only bid for vacancies... Apperently UPS is going to have a flush bid.

 

[Lear70]

I thought the effect of the rule was going to be bad at CAL but I just had a Fedex guy on the jumpseat who told me that they have 150-200 over 60 FEs that are allowed to move back into the right seat, but they can only bid for vacancies... Apperently UPS is going to have a flush bid.

OW!

Holy crap... so much for working for one of those anytime in the next year or two...

 

[tie1on]

if they are gone. they can come back and throw gear for me at first year pay. they new the rules when the started.. screw them. they have screwed us long enough

 

[Lear70]

if they are gone. they can come back and throw gear for me at first year pay. they new the rules when the started.. screw them. they have screwed us long enough

That was the supposition that most of us who supported the change were going on.

Either that or they could get an ad-hoc 121 Supplemental gig flying freight an extra few years until age 65, OR, if they were still at their company, they could stay.

The entire idea was to give them a way to keep making money until they were eligible for Social Security with no reduction in benefit and Medicare. No big surprise that a few greedy bastards are trying to sneak in the back door, just didn't think they'd risk killing the whole deal over it.

All or nothing I guess...

 

[KCPilot]

I actually feel bad for these guys who were forced in to retirement. THEY were discriminated against because of their age and thrown out into the cold street with nothing else.

I think we owe it to bring these folks back with seniority and make a statement against discrimination! As a society we need to fight discrimination and hate. Together we can make it a better world.

Instructortard, you are an idiot! Go back to GoJets where you came from. I still cannot believe that Delta hired a moron like you!

 

[instructordude]

That is exactly what would happen... if the courts were to declare the law unconstitutional (not going to happen) then the age 60 rule would be back in effect... The other side of it is that it would take so long in the courts that anyone who turned 60 on December 12th would probably be very close to 65 or beyond it after it worked it way all the way through the courts and appeals and what not.
The airlines dont want to spend the money to re-train a pilot that has been retired for a year that they are only going to get 2-3 years of service from when they can hire a new person that they can abuse for 20-30 years.
So really its moot.


I thought the effect of the rule was going to be bad at CAL but I just had a Fedex guy on the jumpseat who told me that they have 150-200 over 60 FEs that are allowed to move back into the right or left seat, but they can only bid for vacancies... Apperently UPS is going to have a flush bid.

It would take years depending on the lower appeals courts schedule, which is probably booked way ahead but you never know.