Large Cabin Aircraft opinions wanted

[Flyinjunk]

"It has just as many engines as a G-IV and almost the range."



uhhhhhhhh......................way wrong on the range pal!

 

[G100driver]

"It has just as many engines as a G-IV and almost the range."



uhhhhhhhh......................way wrong on the range pal!

what is the real world range of the G-iv. I understand that it is about 4000nm.

 

[GVFlyer]

what is the real world range of the G-iv. I understand that it is about 4000nm.

The G-IV is no longer made, it had a range guarantee of 4220nm. It's successor, the G400 had a range guarantee of 4120nm.

The current product, the G450, is a growth derivative of the G-IV created by joining the nose section and avionics of the G500/G550 to the G400 fuselage for a 12 inch longer cabin, adding FADEC BR 611-8 Tay engines and putting the jet on a drag diet. The G450 has a range guarantee of 4,350 nm with 8 passengers, a crew of three and NBAA reserves.

GV

 

[Flyinjunk]

The G-IV is no longer made, it had a range guarantee of 4220nm. It's successor, the G400 had a range guarantee of 4120nm.

The current product, the G450, is a growth derivative of the G-IV created by joining the nose section and avionics of the G500/G550 to the G400 fuselage for a 12 inch longer cabin, adding FADEC BR 611-8 Tay engines and putting the jet on a drag diet. The G450 has a range guarantee of 4,350 nm with 8 passengers, a crew of three and NBAA reserves.

GV

Whatever he said ^ G100! General dynetics effed up a perfectly good type classification system......imho
I miss my straight pipe G1159

 

[G100driver]

"It has just as many engines as a G-IV and almost the range."



uhhhhhhhh......................way wrong on the range pal!

I guess 400 NM is way wrong on the range. The discussion was on the EX not the straight 2000.

 

[fokkerjet]

What's going on with the corporate board? Used to be that every other thread was hijacked into something involving BBQ. So I try and carry the torch on this thread, and NADA!
bigD
You guys have gotten wound too tight, methinks.

Are you located by Austin? If so, I'm riding in Lance's "Ride for the Roses" in two weeks, what have I've gotten myself into with hills and crowds? I see they have nearly 6500 people signed up now, and I'm doing 70 miles. Where can I fuel up on BBQ also?

 

[bigD]

Are you located by Austin? If so, I'm riding in Lance's "Ride for the Roses" in two weeks, what have I've gotten myself into with hills and crowds? I see they have nearly 6500 people signed up now, and I'm doing 70 miles. Where can I fuel up on BBQ also?

Yep - I'm in Austin!

I've done "The Ride" a few years back on a mountain bike (with slicks). I did the 100 mile course. I don't know what your background is, but the hills shouldn't be too much of an issue. Austin lies on the eastern edge of the Hill Country, so the really hilly areas are to the west of town. Since the course is completely east of Austin, you won't have to deal with the hills all that much.

The crowds are another issue. Back when I rode, it was about half the size it is now. The real problem is that you have people of all skill levels riding out there. Even on the longer 70 and 100 mile courses, you'll find all sorts. You'll have beginners that can't ride a line to save their lives, and then the hard core people that are unwilling to give an inch of room to the newbies. I don't know where you fall in that range, but try and find riders with similar experience and form a group. The good news is that it's a very well supported ride, and given the volume of riders, they do a decent job of coordinating everything. Many of the same volunteers that handle the MS 150 in the Spring (10,000 riders!) also do the Ride for the Roses.

Feel free to PM me once you know your schedule. I'll give you some good BBQ tips while you're here!

 

[Flyinjunk]

I guess 400 NM is way wrong on the range. The discussion was on the EX not the straight 2000.

Nope wrong again.....you were way wrong in compareing a Dassholet to a Gulfstream!

 

[400A]

flyinjunk

I disagree with you. Besed on the mission scenario, the 2000EX is a valid competitor as G100 mentioned. I think we all understand the GIV has more range, however at 3800 IFR, the 2000EX would definately be considered. That still puts it within 10% of the GIV's range.

I see his point.

I also dont see that General Dynamics has done anything to hurt the Gulfstream product line. Not to mention the #1 ranked product support. If more range, more saftey features, and more advanced cock-pits is EFFED-UP as you say then so be it.

 

[Flyinjunk]

I disagree with you. Besed on the mission scenario, the 2000EX is a valid competitor as G100 mentioned. I think we all understand the GIV has more range, however at 3800 IFR, the 2000EX would definately be considered. That still puts it within 10% of the GIV's range.

I see his point.

I also dont see that General Dynamics has done anything to hurt the Gulfstream product line. Not to mention the #1 ranked product support. If more range, more saftey features, and more advanced cock-pits is EFFED-UP as you say then so be it.

"Besed on the mission scenario"


Bro please you are killing me. A 2000ex(cuse) actually making a 3800 nm leg into anything more then a ummmmmm20knot avg headwind uhhhhhhh aint gonna happen!

"I think we all understand the GIV has more range, however at 3800 IFR, the 2000EX would definately be considered."


Want to hear waht me thinks??? shurre it could be considered from an eggheaded beancounting four eyed having perspective. Why ? Because its an over enginered piece of crap.

"If more range, more saftey features, and more advanced cock-pits is EFFED-UP as you say then so be it."

Hey bud calm the EFF down pulleeezzze. I wuz merely reminiszing!

 

[400A]

Junk

Did you have anything informative to say, or did you just come to trash a perfectly good thread?

You have bashed eveything anyone had to say on this thread.

You have an obvious issue with Falcons. Are you affraid of them?

By the way IFR range is stated in zero wind conditions.. DUH!!!!

 

[Flyinjunk]

Did you have anything informative to say, or did you just come to trash a perfectly good thread?

You have bashed eveything anyone had to say on this thread.

You have an obvious issue with Falcons. Are you affraid of them?

By the way IFR range is stated in zero wind conditions.. DUH!!!!

"Aircraft Experience: BE400A,MU300,BE200,BE90,SA226
Flight Experience: Civilian
Ratings: BE400, MU300
Current Position: Chief Pilot
Total Time: 5000"

"affraid of them?"

You were asking for suggestions on large cabin aircraft types.
Are you affraid of them??? Go Falcoon or Dumbbardier, I couldnt give a rats ass either way.

"By the way IFR range is stated in zero wind conditions.. DUH!!!![/QUOTE"


BTW Does Mitsubitchi have ETOPS requirements for MU series acft feet whet over any body of water bigger than Lake Supeerior???

 

[banned username 2]

The G-IV is no longer made, it had a range guarantee of 4220nm. It's successor, the G400 had a range guarantee of 4120nm.

The current product, the G450, is a growth derivative of the G-IV created by joining the nose section and avionics of the G500/G550 to the G400 fuselage for a 12 inch longer cabin, adding FADEC BR 611-8 Tay engines and putting the jet on a drag diet. The G450 has a range guarantee of 4,350 nm with 8 passengers, a crew of three and NBAA reserves.

GV

Prime example of a logical, informative, very well written, thought out post...

"Besed on the mission scenario"

Bro please you are killing me. A 2000ex(cuse) actually making a 3800 nm leg into anything more then a ummmmmm20knot avg headwind uhhhhhhh aint gonna happen!

Want to hear waht me thinks??? shurre it could be considered from an eggheaded beancounting four eyed having perspective. Why ? Because its an over enginered piece of crap.

Hey bud calm the EFF down pulleeezzze. I wuz merely reminiszing!

Go Falcoon or Dumbbardier, I couldnt give a rats ass either way.

BTW Does Mitsubitchi have ETOPS requirements for MU series acft feet whet over any body of water bigger than Lake Supeerior???

Prime example of why we have the IGNORE feature in the Forums...

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[G100driver]

Nope wrong again.....you were way wrong in compareing a Dassholet to a Gulfstream!

"Lighten up, Frances." -Sgt. Hulka

 

[Kiwi]

Prime example of why we have the IGNORE feature in the Forums...

Well said Falcon Capt...

Now where's that ignore button???