Large Cabin Aircraft opinions wanted

[banned username 2]

As I said a lot earlier (or maybe another thread ) You can get a 12 seat H800. But who would want it. !

19 in a F50. Great, less seat pitch than a regional (and you guys criticise the Legacy). What it's certified for and what it can reasonably carry, with comfort and utility are two different things.

I still say, H800 (4 to 6), F50( 6 to 8) F2000/CL604 ( 8 and at a push 10), G-string/Legacy/G-X (12 to 14). You also got cabin baggage and a food service to run. It's supposed to be a pleasure to be in the cabin, and a decent working environment, not a game of sardines.

Silver Wings, I see what your problem is, you are thinking like an airline pilot...

Corporations don't buy these planes with the thought of filling the seats... They aren't selling seats or trying to turn a profit with the Flight Department... A typical Corporate Passenger load is 1 to 6 passengers... It is a rare occasion to go beyond these types of loads... They don't buy a G-550 because they want to put regional style seats in it, they buy it because they need the range/performance/reliability/comfort...

We have used our 900's to fly one person to Asia or to fly 11 people to the west coast (very rare)... Corporate flying isn't necessarily about which is most cost efficient (that would be riding the airlines)... They buy these planes to save time, add convienience, security, etc...

And don't for a minute think that fuel stops overseas are cheap... Stop in Tokyo one time and you'll see what I am talking about... Handling fee's for a quick tech stop can top $4,000 and fuel can be as high as $5.00/gal in certain places... Not to mention that every stop increases the odds of breaking down and ending up AOG in some place that might not be the most "friendly"... Even if most G-V/GLEX operators don't utilize the max range of their aircraft, you can rest assured they very often exceed the 3,200 NM range that the Legacy offers... We have been often times left "wanting" more range than our 4,500 NM 900EX offers...

 

[AA717driver]

Falcon speaks the truth. Our Asian profile doesn't use the 14 hour legs at M.80. We go M.85 and stop for fuel and then go M.85 again. We save an hour even with a stop.

Cost? What cost? CASM has no meaning to the people that own G's and Globals

In other words... TIME IS MONEY!!!TC

 

[Duderino]

NORTH CAROLINA BBQ SUCKS.
OTTO's in Houston, and Stubb's in Austin baby.

dude

 

[bigD]

Word. The Dude abides.

 

[banned username 2]

Stubb's in Austin

MMmmm... Stubb's... I have a 1/2 bottle of Stubb's sauce in my fridge, think I might go take a swig!

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

It's all good!

NORTH CAROLINA BBQ SUCKS.
OTTO's in Houston, and Stubb's in Austin baby.

dude

Dude, you are limiting yourself. But hey, it is your pork and you can pull it or smoke it anyway you want.....just maybe not in public.

 

[CatYaaak]

Cows are for steak

NORTH CAROLINA BBQ SUCKS.
OTTO's in Houston, and Stubb's in Austin baby.

dude

Oh, you poor, misguided victim of PR and advertising! The only reason red BBQ sauce was invented in the first place was to make stringy, Texas beef semi-edible for those not fortunate enough (or with the sense) to get their hands on real, steak-quality cows like good, Iowa grain-fed. Like has been pointed out, cows are meant to be steaks. The best cows aren't found anywhere near Austin, let alone Houston.

In a sense this illusion regarding red-sauce "BBQ" is no different than how they make money these days marketing food as being "Mesquite-grilled" as if it's something special...when all they've done is finally found out a way to make money using this nuisance, good for nothing tree-weed.

Pork BBQ is real BBQ in the same way Gulfstreams and Falcons and Challengers are real corporate jets. Texas "BBQ" is more like..say..a regional jet calling itself one. Now, you could take a vote on this Pork vs. Beef question and undoubtedly more will say BBQ is beef, but you may as well say "Ten million lemmings can't be wrong". Once again it's all about advertising...not the true essence of the thing.

North Carolina BBQ is the best, and no doubt they perfected it beforeTexas was even a state, or a country, or whatever you guys think you are over there in Baja Oklahoma.

(I mess with Texas)

 

[Gatorman]

Pork BBQ is real BBQ in the same way Gulfstreams and Falcons and Challengers are real corporate jets. Texas "BBQ" is more like..say..a regional jet calling itself one. Now, you could take a vote on this Pork vs. Beef question and undoubtedly more will say BBQ is beef, but you may as well say "Ten million lemmings can't be wrong". Once again it's all about advertising...not the true essence of the thing.

Hmmmmm, I think you need to check that..... Texas BBQ is more like a BBJ compared to Gulfstreams, Falcons, and Challengers(oh my).

Dittos on the Stubbs. With out any doubt the best BBQ sauce ever. If you have never tried it......then, my friend, you have NEVER had it that good.
And if you like Bentley's at Hooter's? Try Stubbs Wicked Wing Sauce - Inferno (I double-dog dare ya).

 

[100-1/2]

BBQ!?! Real men eat Gumbo and suck heads with a case of DOS! Crew Car out of Lake Charles. Code word: "Top off all tanks and light me up, too!" Back in Ten.

604? 4 to 5 hours 10+ pax ONE LAV! "MY GOD, JIM! I'M A $20M BIZJET! NOT A HONEYBUCKET WITH WINGS!

What the hedoublehockeysticks ever happened to the Global Express?

 

[bigD]

I'm only a victim of my taste buds. But let me tell you a little secret, CatYaaak - you know how I'm always talking about Cooper's in Llano? Well, their specialty is pork, not beef. It's ALL good, of course. But if you want pork, it's all there. Chops, ribs - whatever you'd like. And their sauce isn't sweet - it's vinegar based.

Now I'm sure your one trick pony BBQ in North Carolina is pretty good, but here, I can get any types of meat, with any types of sauce. And it's ALL good. If I ever have a need to move to N.C., and after I buy the prerequisite double wide, carpeted toilet seats, and have 12 kids all with rhyming first names - I'm sure I'll enjoy the good, but very limited, BBQ.

To use your analogy, your BBQ is like the Citation X. It does one thing well. But try and fly to Asia at .92, and soon you'll be swimming. Discriminating buyers that want varied capabilities go to the Falcon or Gulfstream. Just like buyers of Texas BBQ.

And one last thing, whomever was first isn't necessarily the best. Who started this whole business jet thing to begin with? Lear? In how many discussions on the corporate board has anyone tried to pin a Lear against a Falcon or Gulfstream? Being first might be an interesting ancedote if you're a history buff, but while you're eating "the first" BBQ, I'll be eating "the GOOD" BBQ!



(edited for spelling mistake)

 

[banned username 2]

Now I'm sure your one trick pony BBQ in North Carolina is pretty good, but here, I can get any types of meat, with any types of sauce. And it's ALL good. If I ever have a need to move to N.C., and after I buy the prerequisite double wide, carpeted toilet seats, and have 12 kids all with rhyming first names - I'm sure I'll enjoy the good, but very limited, BBQ.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

 

[CatYaaak]

Big D takes the bait

I'm only a victim of my taste buds. But let me tell you a little secret, CatYaaak - you know how I'm always talking about Cooper's in Llano? Well, their specialty is pork, not beef. It's ALL good, of course. But if you want pork, it's all there. Chops, ribs - whatever you'd like. And their sauce isn't sweet - it's vinegar based.

Now I'm sure your one trick pony BBQ in North Carolina is pretty good, but here, I can get any types of meat, with any types of sauce. And it's ALL good. If I ever have a need to move to N.C., and after I buy the prerequisite double wide, carpeted toilet seats, and have 12 kids all with rhyming first names - I'm sure I'll enjoy the good, but very limited, BBQ.

(edited for spelling mistake)

Now, don't go movin' to NC flashing your money and lording it over your less-fortunate neighbours with a high-falutin' DOUBLE-wide (complete with carpeted toilet seats) and driving up the price of real estate....they'll think you're a Yankee!

But if Cooper's in Llano's specialty is real BBQ (pork, vinegar), then by default you're right about it being the best BBQ in TX, and I'll have to check it out to see how it stacks up. You've given me hope that someone out there in TX might know what they're doing. And given the reasonableness and wit of your many posts on a variety of subjects in the past, my inclination would have been to trust you, except then you compared NC BBQ first to a Citation, and then a Learjet... WHICH IS TOTALLY FRIGGIN' INSANE! So now I'll "Trust, but verify". I mean sure, there's a Mexican restaurant in Geneva, and it seems like "good" Mexican food to the Swiss, but c'MON....

And what's up with this propensity to sling "BBQ sauce" on every meat and everything in sight? That's not discriminating at all....it's indiscriminate! And what do you need it for anyway?..all that sauce? It's useless on pork, it ruins a good steak, and all the other food in the world should be deep-fried.

And if you really want to fit in, make sure the kids have rhyming middle names, not first. You know.."Jimmy Ray, Lisa May, Peggy Sue, Bobby Lou..etc".

 

[bigD]

Heh heh - touche man! Tell you what, the next time you're in town, I'll treat you to whatever BBQ you want. Maybe you'll even learn to like BBQ based on beef, not pork.

 

[400A]

BBQ vs Large Cabin

Well one thing is for sure about the debates on this post. When you are deciding which large cabin aircraft to buy or which BBQ to eat, it really cant be considered a bad day.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE though,,,, dont forget the PORK ribs at Corkys in Memphis!!!!! Miklebobs in Naples also makes a pretty mean set of Baby- Backs.

Personally, I like all of the sauces, Except the one a buddy of mine made that had apple sauce added to it. To sweet and it was impossible to keep from burning on the grill.

 

[FL510GV]

BBQ, Smokey's in Savannah, conveniently located between most hotels and Gulfstream.

Carrying BBQ? How 'bout the C-17. 3500' "unimproved" runway at around 500,000lbs. Of course you burn more the first hour than most airplanes in this thread can carry... around 24klbs/hr. It drops after that all the way down to 16k or so after 8 hours of flight... and you could carry 40+tons of BBQ on those 8 hours.

Gulfstream's and type ratings. The FAA just ruled that all new G's with the G-550 cockpit are covered by the G-V type. That means the 350's-550's are all same type... sorry G100-200 guys. This would make it feasible to buy a "smaller" G and move up later and save a lot on training.

 

[banned username 2]

you compared NC BBQ first to a Citation, and then a Learjet...

Well NC BBQ may be a Citation or Learjet and Texas BBQ might be a Gulfstream, but one thing is for sure, no matter how you slice it a Legacy is still the Brussel Sprout of Corporate Jets!

 

[some_dude]

Mmmm, Corkys...

 

[G100driver]

Hey Falcon Capt, how about, "the Whole Hog," in LIT. Next time you drop your airplane in LIT have the maint CSR's take you there.

 

[banned username 2]

Hey Falcon Capt, how about, "the Whole Hog," in LIT. Next time you drop your airplane in LIT have the maint CSR's take you there.

Ooohhh... I'll have to keep that in mind!

 

[CatYaaak]

Heh heh - touche man! Tell you what, the next time you're in town, I'll treat you to whatever BBQ you want. Maybe you'll even learn to like BBQ based on beef, not pork.

Sounds good bigD, and I'll happily ingest some of that beef BBQ at your direction if I'm out that way. Drinks are on me though, and I'll recommend Guiness, which of course is the Gulfstream of readily-available beer.