Lack of professionalism

[A Squared]

In fact, listen to the way you stated the only alternative: "rat me out to the feds". Would you have said "rat me out to the state BAR"?

Just to clarify, I phrased it that way, not to reflect my own thoughts, but to make the point of how many who operate airborne machinery view such an action. We both know that among many, reporting a pilot to the FAA is the one unpardonable sin. And there is a vast gulf between taking an issue you may have with a pilot to "them", the authorities, and "taking care of the problem amongst ourselves" It is not a trivial distinction.

 

[A Squared]

Actually, both ALPA and the Airline and Fractional sides of the Teamsters has Professional Standards committees. Also, I am willing to bet that the APA and IPA have similar committees.

I am aware of these. I bet IBEW and other trade unions have similar organs. I think that they are good things, and I don't intend to disparage those institutions in the least. I've had a couple of times when I wished that I could sit down with a professional standards group and say hey, look, this guy's pulling some ********************, and maybe someone ought to sit him down and have a talk with him.

However, those trade unions are only applicable at some specific workplaces. Me, I don't work at any of those companies. So, you are aware that I'm a menace to society, how does reporting me to ALPA's pro standards comittee do anything at all? It doesn't . Failing my being employed at a company which is unionized, the only recourse you have is reporting me to the government. There is no structure in place to sit me down with group of my colleagues and say, Hey your behavior isn't acceptable and its a detriment to the occupation, you need to shape up.

However, if I'm an attorney in, say Alaska, regardless of who I work for, the Alaska bar association can sanction me up to and including disbarrment, and I don't know the particulars, but I believe that it would be difficult or impossible to join the bar in any other state if I was disbarred in Alaska.

That is a very different thing, and that is what is meant by "self regulating"

General Disclaimer; I am not implying that pilots not represented by unions or associations are any less professional.

Not taken as such.

 

[WabiSabi]

That is a very different thing, and that is what is meant by "self regulating"

Yes, it is a different thing but, IMHO, not different enough. Another poster made mention that the AMA, ABA et al are much more established due their respective professions' longer history. It is conceivable, and even feasible for a pilot group equivalent in the future.

I just don't think that it is as black and white as you seem to make it.

 

[staledog]

This is a profession, an art, a craft , that has produced voices like St.Ex,and Ernie Gann, it has inspired art and prose, we leap continents,and oceans, pierce the clouds,and weather,touch the very heart of the sky itself ,I don't know maybe a freightdog looks at it as just another job,but I flew a DC3 for 10 years, round this planet, and I never felt about the profession the way you do A squared. This thing of ours is a sacred trust, I'm not dissing tradesmen,God knows ,all labor is worthy of respect,but what we do is different, and it is special,and it is worthy of respect,and professional compensation,certainly at the white collar level, but I do confess there was many an exhausted hard days night flying the 3 ,when I looked at my collar and felt a twinge of blue,that was some hard work, pax flying is cake by comparison, Cheers brothers,peace out.

Well spoken and the one post worth reading in the previous 4 pages of crap.

 

[Fugawe]

Haven't been to this forum in a loooong time. I remember why now. Same antagonists, same crapola spread across different subjects.

Adios

 

[GVFlyer]

This is a profession, an art, a craft , that has produced voices like St.Ex,and Ernie Gann, it has inspired art and prose, we leap continents,and oceans, pierce the clouds,and weather,touch the very heart of the sky itself ,I don't know maybe a freightdog looks at it as just another job,but I flew a DC3 for 10 years, round this planet, and I never felt about the profession the way you do A squared. This thing of ours is a sacred trust, I'm not dissing tradesmen,God knows ,all labor is worthy of respect,but what we do is different, and it is special,and it is worthy of respect,and professional compensation,certainly at the white collar level, but I do confess there was many an exhausted hard days night flying the 3 ,when I looked at my collar and felt a twinge of blue,that was some hard work, pax flying is cake by comparison, Cheers brothers,peace out.

Well said (and amazingly articulate for a Marine).


GV