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Labor Problems at the "new" US Airways
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On Your Six
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Yes, it was solidified a couple of months ago in a Transition Agreement: Mainline owns the E190 flying (the 170 has already been lost). No orders for 190s have been announced.On Your Six said:
Here's the sitch. In an ideal world the flight ops geniuses would take the 'best practices' from both companies and create a super-awesome combined one. The reality is turning out that whichever transition is cheapest will win, as in, the US East way will prevail in most cases simply because that way there's fewer people to train that way. So to make a short answer long I'd expect our beloved "cactus" callsign to go the way of "clipper", et al.
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I gotta add a little good press to this. I had an overnight last week in which we shared a hotel van with an US Airways crew, I must admit when the van driver said that we were waiting for a US Air crew and knowing that the ride to the hotel was going to be fairly long, I said to myself "uh oh". From the moment they got into the van they were all very polite. The Capt sat shotgun and was pretty much to himself so I wasen't to sure what to make about him, but all the FA's and the FO were very nice and we all struck a conversation with them right away, I was thinking "ok, this is good".
Right before we arrived at the hotel, we invited them down for a beverage, the Capt and Fo accepted. So later down at the bar four pilots that are merging sat together like civilized people and had a few drinks and dinner, we all got along perfectly fine, later one of their FA's joined us and the conversation became that more enjoyable, they were just regular folk just like us, they wanted to know some things about our company, we asked questions about their side, it was very pleasant. I will say that we both never got into the subject of senority intergration but to be perfectly honest, the time with them whent by so nice that I actually forgot all about it. These stories about fights on the hotel van and such will ALLWAYS get the headlines of course, and yes all companies have their batch of people like that, but I'm convinced that those incidents will be a very, VERY small percentage. Me and the Capt. walked away from that dinner feeling much better and optimistic about the merger as a whole. It was my first encounter with a US Airways crew and I must admit I was very skeptical at first, I guess it's just human nature to be that way. But if most of them are this way and I'm sure they are and I know our people are mostly that way too, I do believe we got a great opportunity here, I hope it turns out well for all.
Right before we arrived at the hotel, we invited them down for a beverage, the Capt and Fo accepted. So later down at the bar four pilots that are merging sat together like civilized people and had a few drinks and dinner, we all got along perfectly fine, later one of their FA's joined us and the conversation became that more enjoyable, they were just regular folk just like us, they wanted to know some things about our company, we asked questions about their side, it was very pleasant. I will say that we both never got into the subject of senority intergration but to be perfectly honest, the time with them whent by so nice that I actually forgot all about it. These stories about fights on the hotel van and such will ALLWAYS get the headlines of course, and yes all companies have their batch of people like that, but I'm convinced that those incidents will be a very, VERY small percentage. Me and the Capt. walked away from that dinner feeling much better and optimistic about the merger as a whole. It was my first encounter with a US Airways crew and I must admit I was very skeptical at first, I guess it's just human nature to be that way. But if most of them are this way and I'm sure they are and I know our people are mostly that way too, I do believe we got a great opportunity here, I hope it turns out well for all.
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Not that bad
Cactus – thanks for starting a new thread, we didn’t want to hijack the other one.
I’m kinda suspect of the Arizona Republican article. I just haven’t seen any of the “negative” the article leads you to believe. Is it just one of those “bad news sells better than good news stories?” I completely disagree with those folks who think this is going to be “ugly” merger. You would expect every group to negotiate the best they possibly can, but does that mean “labor disaster at hand, the carrier is doomed?” I can’t speak about any of the “non-pilot” groups, just don’t live in there world, and I haven’t had anyone come to me with a “firsthand account” of a “horror story” caused by a US Air counterpart. Even the non-pilot groups recognize we need to come together to succeed.
Sure folks here on this board trade/promote/advocate ideas and thoughts around … but try to find the common ground. Keep “the Golden Rule” front and center. Call me naïve, but treat anyone else, no matter who they are, exactly how you would want to be treated. Every USAir crew/agent/ramper/pilot I’ve met has been 100% professional everywhere I’ve been in the system. I can only imagine what it would have been like on their side and lived through the steady decline in benefits the experienced in the last five years alone. Most have a way better attitude than I would have expected. The FLL ramp supervisor came into the jet the other day with his business card and said “here … contact me via phone, fax, or email if there is any problem”… when is the last time you saw that at your carrier? I haven’t seen anything about fights or yelling matches at Van sites from the company or from anyone in the union and if there were credible instances of such events, why wouldn’t we get something from the Chief Pilot’s office or MEC to cease and desist. I would hope none of our guys would be pompous enough to want to instigate such events. Jet Monkey, I think you were right to steer clear of “integration.” That is what we have a merger committee for, why get in to it at a pilot level … the union will solve that. Now don’t mistake me for wanting to give up some of our contract to them just because of what they have been through …. Rather I’d like to hope we can raise them to our pay/benefits. Let’s work together to get the best possible deal for all of us with management and then let’s get down to the business at hand. The one thing I know is how tremendously important it is that all of us (US Air East and US Air West) do our best to creating the best possible carrier for our combined future.
Will everyone be happy, no, but America is a competitive business environment. I want the best for our FAs and the best for our Mechanics, etc, but at the end of the day if you are not happy with your work environment you leave to go somewhere else. If you can find a better deal, take it. Always have a Plan B so that if you think Plan A blows, then jump ship and move to Plan B. I hope we bring the furloughed AAA dudes back as soon as possible. From what I've seen, we are on a good road to creating a great airline for both groups ...
On the topic of integration I can only speak for myself but hope it is representative of most at AWA. Relative Seniority. If you were top 8% at USAir you will be top 8% at the new USAir, sitting at 66% at AWA, you will be sitting at 66% at the new USAir, if you were last at AWA (Dave), he may/could/would/should be last at the new USAir (he would probably expect that). Everyone stays were they are relative wise. Since the TA says the furloughed USAir guys come onboard after Dave, he moves up as he would with any new hire. I can’t imagine that Dave would want it any other way.
TWA Dude, new avatar but same rock steady sense of fairness. I always know you will take the higher ground. I’m hopeful all of us at AWA will continue to strive for the fairest deal for every East and West employee ….
Cactus – thanks for starting a new thread, we didn’t want to hijack the other one.
I’m kinda suspect of the Arizona Republican article. I just haven’t seen any of the “negative” the article leads you to believe. Is it just one of those “bad news sells better than good news stories?” I completely disagree with those folks who think this is going to be “ugly” merger. You would expect every group to negotiate the best they possibly can, but does that mean “labor disaster at hand, the carrier is doomed?” I can’t speak about any of the “non-pilot” groups, just don’t live in there world, and I haven’t had anyone come to me with a “firsthand account” of a “horror story” caused by a US Air counterpart. Even the non-pilot groups recognize we need to come together to succeed.
Sure folks here on this board trade/promote/advocate ideas and thoughts around … but try to find the common ground. Keep “the Golden Rule” front and center. Call me naïve, but treat anyone else, no matter who they are, exactly how you would want to be treated. Every USAir crew/agent/ramper/pilot I’ve met has been 100% professional everywhere I’ve been in the system. I can only imagine what it would have been like on their side and lived through the steady decline in benefits the experienced in the last five years alone. Most have a way better attitude than I would have expected. The FLL ramp supervisor came into the jet the other day with his business card and said “here … contact me via phone, fax, or email if there is any problem”… when is the last time you saw that at your carrier? I haven’t seen anything about fights or yelling matches at Van sites from the company or from anyone in the union and if there were credible instances of such events, why wouldn’t we get something from the Chief Pilot’s office or MEC to cease and desist. I would hope none of our guys would be pompous enough to want to instigate such events. Jet Monkey, I think you were right to steer clear of “integration.” That is what we have a merger committee for, why get in to it at a pilot level … the union will solve that. Now don’t mistake me for wanting to give up some of our contract to them just because of what they have been through …. Rather I’d like to hope we can raise them to our pay/benefits. Let’s work together to get the best possible deal for all of us with management and then let’s get down to the business at hand. The one thing I know is how tremendously important it is that all of us (US Air East and US Air West) do our best to creating the best possible carrier for our combined future.
Will everyone be happy, no, but America is a competitive business environment. I want the best for our FAs and the best for our Mechanics, etc, but at the end of the day if you are not happy with your work environment you leave to go somewhere else. If you can find a better deal, take it. Always have a Plan B so that if you think Plan A blows, then jump ship and move to Plan B. I hope we bring the furloughed AAA dudes back as soon as possible. From what I've seen, we are on a good road to creating a great airline for both groups ...
On the topic of integration I can only speak for myself but hope it is representative of most at AWA. Relative Seniority. If you were top 8% at USAir you will be top 8% at the new USAir, sitting at 66% at AWA, you will be sitting at 66% at the new USAir, if you were last at AWA (Dave), he may/could/would/should be last at the new USAir (he would probably expect that). Everyone stays were they are relative wise. Since the TA says the furloughed USAir guys come onboard after Dave, he moves up as he would with any new hire. I can’t imagine that Dave would want it any other way.
TWA Dude, new avatar but same rock steady sense of fairness. I always know you will take the higher ground. I’m hopeful all of us at AWA will continue to strive for the fairest deal for every East and West employee ….
PHXFLYR
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I jumpseat on "Original Issue" USAir every week commuting to work from the east coast. I must echo what TWA Dude and Mk82Man have said. Everyone has been very cordial and 100 percent professional and are hoping that they can salvage something from what's left of their careers. I have experienced none of the nonsense that Cactus 73 alleges (flame bait,Cactus?). Now if we can only get Be Careful to play nice,we might really have something going here
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