L1011's in Vegas Sands Casino

[CommanderHoek]

Does anyone have any info on this operation? I think they have 2 or 3 L1011-500's (385's) and fly to Macau.

 

[gutshotdraw]

1 BBJ, 1 767-300, 1 L-1011 (so far), 4 Gulfstreams. Several good guys in the operation although they have had a bit of turnover in the Chief Pilot position. That is mostly due to the, er, "mercurial" nature of the Boss Man. Google the name Sheldon Adelson for some interesting reading.

 

[Swass]

Like I posted in the other thread you started, the search function works great.

 

[NAAPilot]

1 BBJ, 1 767-300, 1 L-1011 (so far), 4 Gulfstreams. Several good guys in the operation although they have had a bit of turnover in the Chief Pilot position. That is mostly due to the, er, "mercurial" nature of the Boss Man. Google the name Sheldon Adelson for some interesting reading.

If you don't mind me asking...do you work there? Any details about QOL, pay, bases, LAS i'm sure...thanks...

 

[moonlight]

There's a reason that prick has ex-mossad bodyguards...

 

[gutshotdraw]

If you don't mind me asking...do you work there? Any details about QOL, pay, bases, LAS i'm sure...thanks...

That would be a no although I know several people who do. The only base (so far) is LAS. They use a lot of contract pilots because they are pretty short-staffed but the full-timers are paid VERY well. Just don't expect to be home a lot.....

 

[AA717driver]

Do they have an G550's? (I've got some vacation coming up and the contract pay would help out with Christmas...) TC

 

[gutshotdraw]

They have a V but not a 550. But you have to know the secret handshake to do contract work for them........

 

[PMVULB AvMgr]

There's a reason that prick has ex-mossad bodyguards...

Care to explain what your statement is supposed to mean? Why is he a "p...k", and what does the fact that his bodyguards are supposedly ex Mossad have to do with anything?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Mossad agents are the best trained in the world. The fact that Adelson is heavily involved in Israeli politics might explain his security detail's background and his need for one.....

By the way, his 747SP just arrived this week. NOW, he can go to and from Macau non-stop.

 

[On Your Six]

Does Adelson also operate a Gulfstream/BBJ out of Macau for Asian high rollers?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Nothing based there yet but possibly in the works. The LAS based aircraft go over there quite a bit.

 

[Spooky 2]

Nothing based there yet but possibly in the works. The LAS based aircraft go over there quite a bit.

Heard on the grapevine;

They will start operating some B737-300's out of Macau shortly. Crews will be based there, one month on, one month off. 70K for six months work, housing taken care off but no expenses other than when your out of town. Might be a GV assigned over there as well.

Forget about the L1011's and B747SP as they have crews either already employed or indentified for these aircraft which are somewhat far out of being operational at this date.

 

[On Your Six]

Mossad agents are the best trained in the world. The fact that Adelson is heavily involved in Israeli politics might explain his security detail's background and his need for one.....

By the way, his 747SP just arrived this week. NOW, he can go to and from Macau non-stop.

Wow, that's a nice looking bird - check out the photo:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5996982&nseq=0

Sure, that's a long haul but that airplane can easily fly it. Who are the lucky guys who get to fly it? Their current Tristar drivers? Will they keep the Tristar?

 

[Spooky 2]

Wow, that's a nice looking bird - check out the photo:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5996982&nseq=0

Sure, that's a long haul but that airplane can easily fly it. Who are the lucky guys who get to fly it? Their current Tristar drivers? Will they keep the Tristar?

Thyehave even got the L1011's up and flying yet so I think your putting the cart before the horse and yes some of the Lockheed pilots have been previously qualified on the Boeing, all courtesy of TWA.

 

[johnsonrod]

I don't know why, but those 747SPs are sexy looking airplanes... I remember seeing a Syrian Air 747SP recently at LHR and I did a double take - pretty cool looking.

How long would those LAS-Macau flights be in both directions on the 747SP? Any guesses (average winds)?

 

[Spooky 2]

I don't know why, but those 747SPs are sexy looking airplanes... I remember seeing a Syrian Air 747SP recently at LHR and I did a double take - pretty cool looking.

How long would those LAS-Macau flights be in both directions on the 747SP? Any guesses (average winds)?

GC distance is around 6,400 miles plus what ever you use for an alternate. Using Boeing winds it could take anywhere from 14:30 to 15:30 depending on the time of the year. This assumes a .85 cruise. Yes it will make it 90% of the time non stop. The cost of operation has to be out of sight in todays economics. These pax must be big loosers to keep that operation afloat. Of course when you buy the airplanes for less than 15M, the economics have a way of working out on paper at least.

Both Iran Air and Syrian still operate the SP and one has to wonder how they keep them flying with all the embargos on their airline operations. Suprised they have not gone over to the French side of the house!

 

[gutshotdraw]

The Whale is for Sheldon, not the players. At last stock check, he was worth about 23 Billion with a B. He doesn't much care how much it costs.

 

[Swass]

Yep, money don't matter to that dude

 

[Spooky 2]

Yep, money don't matter to that dude

Would have to respectively disagree. These guys did not get rich by being fools with their money. I have worked for several individuals that are equals to this fellow and while they are not penny pinchers, they are not fools. If they don't watch the money themselves they have hired an army of accountants to watch it for them.

 

[gutshotdraw]

When it comes to airplanes, Sheldon is a spendthrift. Otherwise, I would agree with you.

 

[Spooky 2]

When it comes to airplanes, Sheldon is a spendthrift. Otherwise, I would agree with you.

The acquisition cost of say a L1011-500 is probably less than 15M at the most. The Boeing 747SP may have even been less. Both the B767-300 and the BBJ would have cost many millions more than either of these two airplanes. Depending on how you finish the interiors on the SP and TriStars you could easily be in them for less than 30M each, maybe even less. So this looks to be a pretty good business plan where you create a tremendous over the top impression for the customer while minimizing the bottom line numbers regarding the prior to service costs. Obviously the hourly operational costs are over the top but considering there is no real alternative, what's a poor guy to do when he wants to bring his heavy hitters to the tables?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Basically, Sheldon is playing "mine is bigger than yours" with Steve, Kirk, and G-Money. Right now, he is way out in front.

 

[Stryker]

Fortune had Sheldon's worth at 8 billion in the fortune 500 for this year. His 747 sp is on ramp and he has 2 L 1011's one is for parts. His pay scales are very good for Las Vegas. The turn over is very high for both flight attendant and pilots. You do the math, its Vegas

 

[Spooky 2]

Fortune had Sheldon's worth at 8 billion in the fortune 500 for this year. His 747 sp is on ramp and he has 2 L 1011's one is for parts. His pay scales are very good for Las Vegas. The turn over is very high for both flight attendant and pilots. You do the math, its Vegas

Don't think the 2nd L1011 is a parts bird as it's undergoing a D+ check at time. Even spendthrifts don't waste money on things like that.