KYIP cargo operator q's

[whereamI]

No worries man, it just really sucks to be on the street. Planet had quite the reputation, but I have also never met a pilot who didn't b!tch about his job. I liked the job, it definitely wasn't perfect but the flying was great, and the pay was good. I understand your position, QOL is much more important to me than pay, but I am also worth more than 25k year. That is one reason I quit flying for the regionals, and even then I could live where I wanted and had a set schedule (along with a union and CBA). I just can't comprehend the QOL obtained living in YIP on 15min call out, making $1000/mo. Sure you can make a little more than that by busting your hump, but a base salary of $12,000yr is ludicrous. Anyway, I am done ranting. It just sucks to see this industry being flushed down the toilet, especially since I have 35yrs of flying left. I wouldn't wish a furlough/lay off on anybody, regardless of who they work for. Be glad your company is still in business, the car industry isn't doing so hot these days. Cheers.

 

[LR25]

Just remember this years down the road. Once you have entered the Scum bag World of YIP....you will NEVER be the same person. Once YIP is in your blood it will stay in your blood. It's like AID's...you cant get rid of it. It will haunt you the rest of your life !!!!!

Man, I didnt realize the truth of this until you articulated it they way you just did.

Is there a doctor in the house!

Does anybody have the antidote, please!

 

[kingaira90]

No worries man, it just really sucks to be on the street. Planet had quite the reputation, but I have also never met a pilot who didn't b!tch about his job. I liked the job, it definitely wasn't perfect but the flying was great, and the pay was good. I understand your position, QOL is much more important to me than pay, but I am also worth more than 25k year. That is one reason I quit flying for the regionals, and even then I could live where I wanted and had a set schedule (along with a union and CBA). I just can't comprehend the QOL obtained living in YIP on 15min call out, making $1000/mo. Sure you can make a little more than that by busting your hump, but a base salary of $12,000yr is ludicrous. Anyway, I am done ranting. It just sucks to see this industry being flushed down the toilet, especially since I have 35yrs of flying left. I wouldn't wish a furlough/lay off on anybody, regardless of who they work for. Be glad your company is still in business, the car industry isn't doing so hot these days. Cheers.

I agree. In my too short career I have been with 2 companies that folded (basically the same one 2x). I should have thought through my comments more.

We do fly a lot of auto parts when that end of things is swinging. Luckily all of the lears have convertable interiors, so when the autoparts slow the passenger and air ambo stuff can take up some slack. In my past 2 rotations I flew 1 cargo trip, and about 9 ambo/passenger trips.

Most jobs are about what you make it. Good luck in your job search.-kingaira90

 

[WillowRunVortex]

This thread could not be tailor made for me more. Youngsters LISTEN UP!!! Go to the commuters. Do not get lured into the fast upgrade and early money at YIP. ALL that will come later. That place ( as stated in a previous post ) will ruin you for the real world of flying professionally. Every operator there is DUBIOUSE. You will experience a way of life that WILL turn you into A COMPLETE DIRT BAG!

 

[pilotyip]

Days off kids

Funny thing about this thread and a bit of YIP bashing , I was having dinner with an old Zipper buddy last night. He now works work union scheduled air carrier. He was lamenting about how much time he spends away from home compared to his on-demand days at YIP. In the old days he did all his chores, lawn mowing, house painting, etc during his pager time. Then ono his days off , he took trips, vacations, realy enjoyed days off. Now he spends his days off, lawn mowing, house painting, etc. He is home about 13 days a month, at Zipper he was about 25 days a month. Do not listen to vortex, he is the dark side, come to YIP, it is a fantastic place to start or finish your career.

 

[kingaira90]

yep, I was home 25 days last month with 1 overnight. I was home for a late dinner on 3 others. Granted it is slow but I flew 10 trips, YIP isn't so bad.-kingaira90

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Funny thing about this thread and a bit of YIP bashing , I was having dinner with an old Zipper buddy last night. He now works work union scheduled air carrier. He was lamenting about how much time he spends away from home compared to his on-demand days at YIP. In the old days he did all his chores, lawn mowing, house painting, etc during his pager time. Then ono his days off , he took trips, vacations, realy enjoyed days off. Now he spends his days off, lawn mowing, house painting, etc. He is home about 13 days a month, at Zipper he was about 25 days a month. Do not listen to vortex, he is the dark side, come to YIP, it is a fantastic place to start or finish your career.

Doing chores around the house while on the pager? More like sleeping during the day because you got back from an 18 hour Mexico round-trip at 7am. And you were going back on call later that evening almost surely to do the same thing over again. Least thats how it used to be. If your not flying anymore at YIP because it is so slow what is the point? The idea is to build time and or make money right? Trust me, and I say this for the younger crowd, not the has beens, the commuters offer a far better atmosphere for the early stages of your carrier. If you want training on how to be a truck driver, and want to deal with that type of mentality, go to YIP. If you want training on how to be a succesfull airline pilot for a passenger carrier go to the commuters. That simple folks..............

WRV

 

[pilotyip]

Did Vortex miss the force?

Like I posted before vortex is from the dark side, listen new pilots and you will feel the force of the advantages of starting your career at YIP. YIP graduates are at Spirit, AirTran, Jet blue, UAL, NWA, DAL, (ops laid off), FedEx, you name there is a YIP pilot working there. Why does the does the YIP have the advantage. Because he is more than a pilot driving from point A to point B, he is a action driven problem solver, who makes things go the right way when other people drop the ball. Believe it or not, other airlines like that. Where did Vortex end up?

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Like I posted before vortex is from the dark side, listen new pilots and you will feel the force of the advantages of starting your career at YIP. YIP graduates are at Spirit, AirTran, Jet blue, UAL, NWA, DAL, (ops laid off), FedEx, you name there is a YIP pilot working there. Why does the does the YIP have the advantage. Because he is more than a pilot driving from point A to point B, he is a action driven problem solver, who makes things go the right way when other people drop the ball. Believe it or not, other airlines like that. Where did Vortex end up?

Not willing to devulge that info but it is a passenger carrier with a Union. I thought the same way you do YIP, until I went to a passenger airline and found out that what you call "problem solving", most passenger airlines with unions call cowboy piloting or mom and poping it. In passenger service, especially the majors there is very little wiggle room for "inovation". You will not be a hero for getting the trip done under dubiouse circumstances such as at Willow. Judging from your posts and your profile you have never flown pax. I was born and raised at Willow (aviation-wise), and then moved on to passengers. I have seen both worlds. What puzzles me is the droves of Zantop guys that stayed there even when the majors were hiring in the 80's. Most of the guys who went to the majors then, make a quarter mill a year now drivin a 400. The Zantop guys are sittin around scratchin there heads wondering why nobody will book charters on the Electra anymore.

 

[C-12Driver]

In the sort time I have been at YIP it has been good to me. I have a relative that went the other route, he is making less money and took 6 years to up grade. Granted he flies a lot more and is never home. Oh wait that is a bad thing! I got my lawn mowed this weekend. I will stick with YIP for now.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

In the sort time I have been at YIP it has been good to me. I have a relative that went the other route, he is making less money and took 6 years to up grade. Granted he flies a lot more and is never home. Oh wait that is a bad thing! I got my lawn mowed this weekend. I will stick with YIP for now.

In my first year flying jets professionally at Willow (94), I flew nearly as much as you have for total time.

 

[pilotyip]

Remember vortex is from the dark side and can not see how he got there. It is simple he started at YIP and made a move to a better place. That is the same as many have done. So back to the beginning, why is YIP such a bad place to start?

 

[wheelsup]

YIP graduates are at Spirit, AirTran, Jet blue, UAL, NWA, DAL, (ops laid off), FedEx, you name there is a YIP pilot working there.

You could make the same argument about regional pilots. I'm sure there's a Great Lakes, Colgan, Mesa, Skywest, Comair, ASA, etc. etc. pilot at greener pastures as well.

~wheelsup

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Remember vortex is from the dark side and can not see how he got there. It is simple he started at YIP and made a move to a better place. That is the same as many have done. So back to the beginning, why is YIP such a bad place to start?

Because the commuters offer better, more relevant equipment (for a future major pilot), better work rules, etc. I will paint a picture,,,, passenger terminals, jet-ways, crew meals, clean uniforms. As opposed to,,,,Fork lifts, trucks , pallets, Dickees Boots, vending machines. The commuters were not an option when I was at that stage. Willow Run was the only game in town. But not any more. Oh,,,and when was the last time you saw a Mesaba pilot urinating in a 2 liter bottle in the rear cabin?

 

[Ill Mitch]

This thread could not be tailor made for me more. Youngsters LISTEN UP!!! Go to the commuters. Do not get lured into the fast upgrade and early money at YIP. ALL that will come later. That place ( as stated in a previous post ) will ruin you for the real world of flying professionally. Every operator there is DUBIOUSE. You will experience a way of life that WILL turn you into A COMPLETE DIRT BAG!

I'm already a complete dirtbag. Just ask my past girlfriends. I guess I should start heading to YIP.