KYIP cargo operator q's

[kingaira90]

yep, I was home 25 days last month with 1 overnight. I was home for a late dinner on 3 others. Granted it is slow but I flew 10 trips, YIP isn't so bad.-kingaira90

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Funny thing about this thread and a bit of YIP bashing , I was having dinner with an old Zipper buddy last night. He now works work union scheduled air carrier. He was lamenting about how much time he spends away from home compared to his on-demand days at YIP. In the old days he did all his chores, lawn mowing, house painting, etc during his pager time. Then ono his days off , he took trips, vacations, realy enjoyed days off. Now he spends his days off, lawn mowing, house painting, etc. He is home about 13 days a month, at Zipper he was about 25 days a month. Do not listen to vortex, he is the dark side, come to YIP, it is a fantastic place to start or finish your career.

Doing chores around the house while on the pager? More like sleeping during the day because you got back from an 18 hour Mexico round-trip at 7am. And you were going back on call later that evening almost surely to do the same thing over again. Least thats how it used to be. If your not flying anymore at YIP because it is so slow what is the point? The idea is to build time and or make money right? Trust me, and I say this for the younger crowd, not the has beens, the commuters offer a far better atmosphere for the early stages of your carrier. If you want training on how to be a truck driver, and want to deal with that type of mentality, go to YIP. If you want training on how to be a succesfull airline pilot for a passenger carrier go to the commuters. That simple folks..............

WRV

 

[pilotyip]

Did Vortex miss the force?

Like I posted before vortex is from the dark side, listen new pilots and you will feel the force of the advantages of starting your career at YIP. YIP graduates are at Spirit, AirTran, Jet blue, UAL, NWA, DAL, (ops laid off), FedEx, you name there is a YIP pilot working there. Why does the does the YIP have the advantage. Because he is more than a pilot driving from point A to point B, he is a action driven problem solver, who makes things go the right way when other people drop the ball. Believe it or not, other airlines like that. Where did Vortex end up?

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Like I posted before vortex is from the dark side, listen new pilots and you will feel the force of the advantages of starting your career at YIP. YIP graduates are at Spirit, AirTran, Jet blue, UAL, NWA, DAL, (ops laid off), FedEx, you name there is a YIP pilot working there. Why does the does the YIP have the advantage. Because he is more than a pilot driving from point A to point B, he is a action driven problem solver, who makes things go the right way when other people drop the ball. Believe it or not, other airlines like that. Where did Vortex end up?

Not willing to devulge that info but it is a passenger carrier with a Union. I thought the same way you do YIP, until I went to a passenger airline and found out that what you call "problem solving", most passenger airlines with unions call cowboy piloting or mom and poping it. In passenger service, especially the majors there is very little wiggle room for "inovation". You will not be a hero for getting the trip done under dubiouse circumstances such as at Willow. Judging from your posts and your profile you have never flown pax. I was born and raised at Willow (aviation-wise), and then moved on to passengers. I have seen both worlds. What puzzles me is the droves of Zantop guys that stayed there even when the majors were hiring in the 80's. Most of the guys who went to the majors then, make a quarter mill a year now drivin a 400. The Zantop guys are sittin around scratchin there heads wondering why nobody will book charters on the Electra anymore.

 

[C-12Driver]

In the sort time I have been at YIP it has been good to me. I have a relative that went the other route, he is making less money and took 6 years to up grade. Granted he flies a lot more and is never home. Oh wait that is a bad thing! I got my lawn mowed this weekend. I will stick with YIP for now.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

In the sort time I have been at YIP it has been good to me. I have a relative that went the other route, he is making less money and took 6 years to up grade. Granted he flies a lot more and is never home. Oh wait that is a bad thing! I got my lawn mowed this weekend. I will stick with YIP for now.

In my first year flying jets professionally at Willow (94), I flew nearly as much as you have for total time.

 

[pilotyip]

Remember vortex is from the dark side and can not see how he got there. It is simple he started at YIP and made a move to a better place. That is the same as many have done. So back to the beginning, why is YIP such a bad place to start?

 

[wheelsup]

YIP graduates are at Spirit, AirTran, Jet blue, UAL, NWA, DAL, (ops laid off), FedEx, you name there is a YIP pilot working there.

You could make the same argument about regional pilots. I'm sure there's a Great Lakes, Colgan, Mesa, Skywest, Comair, ASA, etc. etc. pilot at greener pastures as well.

~wheelsup

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Remember vortex is from the dark side and can not see how he got there. It is simple he started at YIP and made a move to a better place. That is the same as many have done. So back to the beginning, why is YIP such a bad place to start?

Because the commuters offer better, more relevant equipment (for a future major pilot), better work rules, etc. I will paint a picture,,,, passenger terminals, jet-ways, crew meals, clean uniforms. As opposed to,,,,Fork lifts, trucks , pallets, Dickees Boots, vending machines. The commuters were not an option when I was at that stage. Willow Run was the only game in town. But not any more. Oh,,,and when was the last time you saw a Mesaba pilot urinating in a 2 liter bottle in the rear cabin?

 

[Ill Mitch]

This thread could not be tailor made for me more. Youngsters LISTEN UP!!! Go to the commuters. Do not get lured into the fast upgrade and early money at YIP. ALL that will come later. That place ( as stated in a previous post ) will ruin you for the real world of flying professionally. Every operator there is DUBIOUSE. You will experience a way of life that WILL turn you into A COMPLETE DIRT BAG!

I'm already a complete dirtbag. Just ask my past girlfriends. I guess I should start heading to YIP.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

I'm already a complete dirtbag. Just ask my past girlfriends. I guess I should start heading to YIP.

Judging from your profile, I would agree with you.

 

[Ill Mitch]

Judging from your profile, I would agree with you.

Ha Ha...I was laughing so hard I almost peed myself. But since I haven't had any beer yet, I had nothing to give. Sorry.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

You were lucky this time....

Ha Ha...I was laughing so hard I almost peed myself. But since I haven't had any beer yet, I had nothing to give. Sorry.

That's why a freight dog always carries an empty water bottle.

Tip of the day: If you are a Mountain Dew drinker and have two open bottles around, throw away both and just buy a fresh one!

 

[Ill Mitch]

That's why a freight dog always carries an empty water bottle.

Tip of the day: If you are a Mountain Dew drinker and have two open bottles around, throw away both and just buy a fresh one!

Is this from experience? Hmm...I was thinking you could shake up the bottle a bit and whichever one fizzes the most...but maybe that wouldn't work.
I'll stick to Coke.

And, ponder this, if the water bottle is empty, is it still a water bottle....or just a bottle.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Diet coke all the way!

Since we have digressed to urinary stories, let me share a story when I was a Driver's Helper at UPS during the Christmas rush while in college. I was paired with a driver that had an odd route, covered more are than most. Sometimes we got different trucks since it was the "rover route".

One truck we would get sometimes was from a guy with a weak bladder. He had a 1/2 gallon plastic milk jug to relieve himself. What really pissed me off was the fact that he would not epty the jug after his shift. We woulf get the truck the next day with his jug half full. The driver I worked with would not touch it so I got an idea. We often stopped at a super market to make deliveries so I bout a Babe Ruth bar, unwrapped it and dropped it in the jug a la Caddy Shack. Well, I never saw the jug again when we used his truck. I believe I made the Dean's list that semester!

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Since we have digressed to urinary stories, let me share a story when I was a Driver's Helper at UPS during the Christmas rush while in college. I was paired with a driver that had an odd route, covered more are than most. Sometimes we got different trucks since it was the "rover route".

One truck we would get sometimes was from a guy with a weak bladder. He had a 1/2 gallon plastic milk jug to relieve himself. What really pissed me off was the fact that he would not epty the jug after his shift. We woulf get the truck the next day with his jug half full. The driver I worked with would not touch it so I got an idea. We often stopped at a super market to make deliveries so I bout a Babe Ruth bar, unwrapped it and dropped it in the jug a la Caddy Shack. Well, I never saw the jug again when we used his truck. I believe I made the Dean's list that semester!

Finding old urine bottles in the plane at Willow was common. Like I said,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Dirt Bag" operations. If the shoe fits,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[pilotyip]

Hey we have new image, all new passenger operations in our DC-9's hauling the Piston's, Ford, GM, WWII vets around, no dirt bags in this operation. We even have flush toilets in this non-sked operation.

 

[C-12Driver]

In my first year flying jets professionally at Willow (94), I flew nearly as much as you have for total time.

I hope to fly that much my first year also.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

I hope to fly that much my first year also.

C12,

I hope you do also. Question,,,UH-60,,,,are you also rotor-wing?

 

[pilotyip]

We hire only the best at USA Jet, we love those Army rotor wings, they are the best in the business. I also hope he flies 1200 this year, it would be great for everyone's wallet.