Kudos to SWAPA!!!

[carl p]

When it warms up, we'll probably get moved out of our ocean-front 4-star resort into a La Quinta.

Translated, La Quinta means "next to Denny's".

 

[CatfishVT9]

Wish I could have attended. I was primed to go when it was the 12th, but had to work on the 13th. I've had several conversations with with my SWA bretheren over the past few months and all were positive, except for one guy.......
Looking forward to working with you guys and S... canning our Crew Skeds department.

Dave VM is a pretty good guy, but he's the type that tends to say one sentence too many.

 

[SWA/FO]

Wouldn't Dave VM just go back to the line?

My Tranny buddy said "a lot of management types just bid into MCO in the last bid". Does this guy need to go back and re-learn how to fly again? Tori will teach him the way and a few good words along the way.

 

[dicko]

Wouldn't Dave VM just go back to the line?

My Tranny buddy said "a lot of management types just bid into MCO in the last bid". Does this guy need to go back and re-learn how to fly again? Tori will teach him the way and a few good words along the way.

I have finished stapling my lips together. I'm now gluing my fingers together so I can't type.

 

[Ty Webb]

I feel your pain. :laugh:

 

[SWA/FO]

How many hours a day does the Tranny airplanes fly? Anybody know?

 

[Ty Webb]

How many hours a day does the Tranny airplanes fly? Anybody know?

I was told at a recurrent that the 737 fleet averages 11 hours a day.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I was told at a recurrent that the 737 fleet averages 11 hours a day.

That doesn't seem that high, especially if you do red eyes, Does it?
KBB

 

[Ty Webb]

That doesn't seem that high, especially if you do red eyes, Does it?
KBB

Dunno, I'm just a lowly 'yoke and throttle operator'

We do redeyes from LAX, LAS, SEA, SFO to a couple of destinations, so that's 40 or 50 hours divided over 55 airframes . . . . adds an hour a night, I guess.

 

[Lear70]

That doesn't seem that high, especially if you do red eyes, Does it?
KBB

Correct, which is what I mentioned a few weeks ago.

Our fleet is significantly underutilized when compared to how Southwest flies their aircraft. Our block hours per aircraft are at least 20% under Southwest's utilization.

That means, once we start flying our planes at Southwest's average block hours per day, we'll actually be understaffed and need to hire at least 200 people.

FWIW

 

[RedRum]

Thanks for a great time in MCO! You guys are truly a class act. If these Roundups are any indication, AirTran pilots can expect many good times in the future.

I would like to sincerely apologize for a few things on the AT side as well. First, I think its a shame our Merger Committee showed up... again. Both sides made it clear these Roundups were not for SLI discussion, yet ALPA sent their Merger guys to both events (I don't think SWAPA brought a single MC guy).
Second, on behalf of ALL AT pilots, I'm sorry for the numerous comments by Dave VM to SWAPA guys. He's a management guy who is probably worried about his future. He said quite a few inflammatory things to different people. He even told one former-AT pilot how much he f-ed up by leaving for SWA years ago. What an embarrasment!

Thanks again SWAPA!!! Good thing lie ahead for us all!

That is great that you feel this way about SWA. I think SWA is a different airline and they DO treat people differently.

HOWEVER

Talking to most of the SWA people, they want to staple everyone at Air Tran. I am hoping that is NOT the case in the end. We need to restore some solidarity in this profession. The DAL/NWA merger has gone relatively well. I think the SWA / AAI merger can be even better if the SWA pilots are reasonable.

Don't be THAT guy that touts about how great you are and that you should be proud of being a part of your great airline. Your airline was created by more than just the pilots. You are just part of the overall equation.

Be nice to each other.

 

[GuppyWN]

Correct, which is what I mentioned a few weeks ago.

Our fleet is significantly underutilized when compared to how Southwest flies their aircraft. Our block hours per aircraft are at least 20% under Southwest's utilization.

That means, once we start flying our planes at Southwest's average block hours per day, we'll actually be understaffed and need to hire at least 200 people.

FWIW

How come ya'll have more than an extra pilot per plane compared to us if you're underutilized?

Seems pretty lopsided.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

I think the SWA / AAI merger can be even better if the SWA pilots are reasonable.

What is reasonable?

Gup

 

[Slug]

Reasonable is to give them a raise and mingle them into your seniority such that your upgrade is severely affected. You get more pain and they get a nice little check.

 

[Lear70]

How come ya'll have more than an extra pilot per plane compared to us if you're underutilized?

Seems pretty lopsided.

Gup

I don't know, I just fly 'em. Right now we're running near 40% reserve coverage for February. Not kidding.

Of course, it *IS* February and the schedule is pretty dramatically pared down. Once the summer schedule is here, we'll see what it shakes out to.

We appear to schedule pilots much more like a Legacy carrier hub-and-spoke model than like Southwest, as not NEARLY as much flying is point-to-point. Almost every trip I have hits a base every leg (either originating in a base or landing in a base) if you include BWI (which might as well be a base for as many planes as we route through there compared to MKE).

That's one of the reasons our schedules end up with fewer days off to get 80 hours of flying in and why we have some long overnights in at least one city per trip on average, sometimes 2. It's also one of the reasons we have 3-4 hour productivity sits in airports sometimes because you don't connect with a "bank" and have to wait until the next bank of flying to go back out. My last trip had one every day, and a buddy had TWO 3-hour sits in one day with only 3 legs of flying for 4.5 hours of block on a 12 hour duty day.

 

[S3sundowner]

Surely if you increase your work hours 20% that would take care of the extra 200 "new hires". Hopefully you're an aai negotiator.

 

[dicko]

Surely if you increase your work hours 20% that would take care of the extra 200 "new hires". Hopefully you're an aai negotiator.

I see you've decided to stop pretending that you work for JBLU ? Perhaps you could explain your motivation for the deceit ?

 

[Lear70]

Surely if you increase your work hours 20% that would take care of the extra 200 "new hires". Hopefully you're an aai negotiator.

It doesn't work like that. We're not talking about pilot flying hours, we're talking about aircraft utilization.

If you've never worked on a Scheduling Committee or done pairing work, it would take two pages to explain how staffing models are generated around aircraft block hours.

Besides, I already fly 80-85 hours a month. I can't increase my flying 20% a month and neither can the rest of our pilots. On our busy months, even the reserves fly 70-80 hours. We're simply not staffed for the way Southwest operates, it's just that simple.

 

[CatfishVT9]

How come ya'll have more than an extra pilot per plane compared to us if you're underutilized?

Seems pretty lopsided.

Gup

That's due to the approximately 25% "Crew Schedules Department Buffoonery factor" that SWA doesn't need to account for. This was demonstrated during last week's ice storm. Skeds had no idea where a significant number of crews were even though they were right where they were supposed to be according to their assigned schedule.

Most of us can't wait for the purge in Orlando to begin.

 

[Ty Webb]

That's due to the approximately 25% "Crew Schedules Department Buffoonery factor" .. . . . . Most of us can't wait for the purge in Orlando to begin.

He's not kidding. The buffoonery is legendary.