King Air pay?

[HMR]

Two questions: first, by multi-comm checkride, do you mean having them do chandelles and lazy-8s? Or a lot of engine-out approaches and the like?

Second, what kinds of things were the SIC candidates busting on?

Have you taken a Multi-comm checkride? Did you have to do chandelles and lazy-8's?

There were two single-engine approaches on the company checkride.

Most busted on the basics: Steep turns, stalls, unusual attitudes. All the guys (and a gal) were multi-comm rated and had over 1,000hrs.

 

[spitfire1940]

King Air Pay

I work for a 135 charter company in the Mid-Atlantic.

King Air SICs are paid a $24,000 base salary plus $20 per Hobbs hour. So if you fly around 350 hours (Hobbs), your final salary would be $31,000
Our King Air PICs (which is what everybody is) get a base salary of $35k, plus the flight bonus.

 

[some_dude]

As I understand it, this is the deal on logging SIC time in a single pilot turboprop (granted, various FSDOs have individual variations on this):

1) Part 91, no way. An appropriately rated pilot can log PIC time for that time that they are actually flying the airplane (sole manipulator) or dual instruction, but no SIC time.

2) Part 135, if the SIC has a legal 135 SIC (or PIC) check in the aircraft, then maybe. The interpretation I have seen from the FAA Chief Counsel is that an operator "may" use an autopilot in lieu of an SIC. If the operator chooses not to use that exemption for a given flight, then two pilots are required and the SIC can legitimately log the SIC time.

Now, it gets more complex. If the aircraft has six or more passenger seats, and two pilots are required "by certification or operating rules" than a CVR is required (135.151). So, in an 8 passenger seat King Air with no CVR, it must be a single pilot operation and thus the SIC cannot log the time.

I do some flying in an air ambulance operation using two pilots in turboprops (Turbo Commanders). The SICs can legitimately log the time because they are properly qualified, and the aircraft have only 5 seats.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

back to basics

I miss having the CFI turned SIC in the right seat frantically reminding me that I "forgot" to start my timer on an ILS.

I bet you don't "tune and identify" either. C'mon, HMR, you seem like a good guy. Don't get complacent. Every now and then I remind myself that even though we're flying super-automated equipment, we still need the basics.

Ace

 

[HMR]

I bet you don't "tune and identify" either. C'mon, HMR, you seem like a good guy. Don't get complacent. Every now and then I remind myself that even though we're flying super-automated equipment, we still need the basics.

Ace

Believe it or not I do tune and ID. I'm dyslexic enough with frequencies to know better.

When I was flying single pilot in the King Airs I realised that if the glide slope went out I was going to go missed, not try to turn it into a LOC approach. I've only had one ILS fail on me while on the approach (in terrible weather, of course) and there was nothing a timer would have helped with.

My C414 instructor was a Korean War fighter pilot. He timed every segment of every flight and wrote it down in a nav log. He made me do it too. He also tried to teach me how to navigate with a sextant. I was lost (pun intended). But not half as lost as he was when I tried to teach him the Garmin 530.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Believe it or not I do tune and ID. I'm dyslexic enough with frequencies to know better.

When I was flying single pilot in the King Airs I realised that if the glide slope went out I was going to go missed, not try to turn it into a LOC approach. I've only had one ILS fail on me while on the approach (in terrible weather, of course) and there was nothing a timer would have helped with.

My C414 instructor was a Korean War fighter pilot. He timed every segment of every flight and wrote it down in a nav log. He made me do it too. He also tried to teach me how to navigate with a sextant. I was lost (pun intended). But not half as lost as he was when I tried to teach him the Garmin 530.

OK, that'll teach me for giving sh$t to someone I don't know. Sounds like you got some good 'ol stick 'n rudder instruction from an an$l-retentive, flashbacking, fighter pilot. If that don't make you into a great pilot, nothing will.

Ace

 

[flyer172r]

Ummm, yea what CMEL PTS are you looking in? There are certainly no lazy 8's or chandelles in there, that would be ridiculous since you really don't have any left-turning tendencies in a twin.

Sorry, I thought we didn't do that stuff on multi rides because of the additional ratings table. Turns out I was wrong. Not the first time, definitely won't be the last. Probably won't be the last time I ask what turns out to be a dumb question either. Eh, it happens.