King Air pay?

[HMR]

His view was that if somebody was getting paid, and touching as much as a radio knob, he was a crewmwmber and had to have a checkride and the training. And if he had all that stuff, then he was a crewmwmber if he was required by insurance, customer request or opspecs (such as inop autopilot). So,, he was required, he could log it.

Hung- You've been doing this longer than me and I'm not disagreeing with the "required" SIC argument. I've just never met a CP or DO that took BE90/200 SIC time seriously when reviewing resumes. The guys I saw try to do it would have been better off without it as it became a big issue during the interview. Anyone who's flown a King Air knows it's a very stable, safe single pilot airplane. There's not much for an SIC to do (even with the autopilot inop).

FWIW- At my old company we were all trained as SIC and PIC. I'd have a lot more TT if I would've logged those SIC flights. I chose not to.

 

[Hung Start]

I sure understand that, too bad it is looked at in that light. I would think that you have to learn something, just by being there. Any experience in all weather operations has to be good. And, total time is total time. I was just telling how out FSDO viewed the legality of SIC in a certified single pilot aircraft. And, I remember being there. So good luck to all, keep your eyes and ears open. Learn as much as you can, anyway you can.

 

[Prof. ATP]

You develop a certain flow that works very well under demanding situations (weather, tired etc.) and learn to trust that. If you have a well trained second, and you work as a team, you trust each other to do what is expected all the time and at the same time.

Hung Start's first sentence is right on: I can take a King Air anywhere, anytime, all by myself. But there are other considerations. Our company (FAR135) used to bring the new pilots up to speed by having them fly freight in Senecas, but the days of piston freight are about over. We always need new pilots, and we try to develop them in-house when we can, so our new plan for pilot development is to make them King Air SICs -- genuine SICs, not ride-alongs, complete with 135 SIC checkrides -- and help them build experience that way. The trick will be to make it so Hung Start's second sentence is true, too. We'll borrow a lot of SOPs from our jet operations to start with.

As for pay, I probably average $250/day in the B200, but live in an area with an extremely low cost of living and high quality of life. I also have a day job and a professional spouse, so money is less of an issue than it is for others.

 

[User546]

The contract guys that I know in the midwest flying right seat in the 90 are making $200 a day plus expenses.

 

[HMR]

The contract guys that I know in the midwest flying right seat in the 90 are making $200 a day plus expenses.

When I was flying out of KVNY we had guys offering to pay us that much to let them sit right seat. Unbelievable.

 

[350DRIVER]

so our new plan for pilot development is to make them King Air SICs -- genuine SICs, not ride-alongs, complete with 135 SIC checkrides --

That sometimes is easier said than done especially when the equipment has been made for the purpose of being able to fly and operate it as single pilot.

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ps> A jet requiring a SIC is just a tad different (little sarcasm injected) than a King Air that requires only one pilot, good luck on using those SOP's and implementing them into the KA's. I surely wouldn't want to be the guy in the left seat having to take part in this.

 

[HMR]

FWIW-The PT135 SIC checkrides at my old FSDO consisted of the pilot sitting in the right seat with a fed in the left. The fed would takeoff, get vectored around for an "approach" and land. The SIC would work the radios. No checklist, no gear or flaps, just talk on the radio. Total time in the air was .2.

Our company ops required the SIC to pass a multi-comm checkride- straight outa' the PTS-from the right seat. I flew there for close to two years and not one SIC passed! We gave up on having full-time SIC's and instead all of us PIC's had to take an SIC ride with the feds. Our FSDO felt that a PIC could not act as an SIC unless they were trained and passed the FSDO SIC checkride. Each of us rode around the patch for .2 and got signed off. I think the feds were more interested in getting their landing currency.

 

[HMR]

I surely wouldn't want to be the guy in the left seat having to take part in this.

I miss having the CFI turned SIC in the right seat frantically reminding me that I "forgot" to start my timer on an ILS.

 

[350DRIVER]

I miss having the CFI turned SIC in the right seat frantically reminding me that I "forgot" to start my timer on an ILS.

How about the million and one questions about the FAR's while eating lunch waiting on pax. Some things in life should be considered priceless.


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[psysicx]

I thought you could have a SIC on a kingair if it was Pt135 and went threw the right training.I know that West Coast Charter has SIC.