King Air pay?

[350DRIVER]

Some 135 air carriers' ops specs do require a sic to be onboard it's single pilot type certificated equipment, others do not. Many of these places that do this simply do it for "added" pax comfort for them (pax) to be able to see two warm bodies up front versus just one. Any King Air and light jet for that matter that is typed certificated for single pilot operation(s) surely does not need a guy in the right seat to make that cap ee tin any safer, more comfortable, etc. I think most of this "SIC" talk is blown out of proportion to a certain extent. A properly "qualified" captain can handle these equipment types single pilot, not really difficult at all.

A part 135 company that I was a part of a long time ago did school, train, check out, SIC's in the A90's, C90B's, B100's, etc, and it was a tad comical because even with that most of the time they were simply calling checklist items, working the radios, etc, nothing that would be comparable to playing piano in a whore house with free play time after hours.

Airplanes that do not require a SIC to be onboard really adds to the left seat guy's workload if they are having to watch, teach, and get the right seat up to speed when pax are in the back.

Each operator is different so this is going to vary.

Would be like asking ten people whether they would prefer a Mercedes or a BMW, I would take the Benz SL500 any day of the week but that is just me.

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[Snakum]

I keep reading these posts here over the last five years that no one counts King Air SIC time, most don't use SICs, etc. All the while knowing seven or eight people personally who's first gig out of CFI'ing was exactly that, who logged the SIC time (the op cert required SIC), and who've all but one gone on to the following airlines, without ever having flown anything more than a Seneca as MEI and then right seat in a King Air ... Comair, Chautauqua, Amerijet, Xjet (yes ... with KA SIC time), and ASA.

What gives? Everyone locally seems to wind up in the right seat of a King Air ... and they all seem to be moving on afterward.

Just curious ... cuz I ain't move'n nowhere, myself. I have to wait until we buy a King Air here.

Minh

 

[HMR]

What gives? Everyone locally seems to wind up in the right seat of a King Air ... and they all seem to be moving on afterward.

I have no experience with the regionals or what their req'ts are. My experience is limited to a very busy PT135 and corporate area (SoCal). If the regionals think BE20 SIC time is legitimate and you're looking for a regional job- log it!

My goal was always a PT91 corp gig. I didn't log any King Air SIC time because I didn't think it was legal. I've never met a corp or charter CP or DO who would accept it on an application.

When I was flying the King Airs (PT135) we interviewed a guy who said he had 250hrs PIC in the BE20. I was skeptical because he had around 1300hrs TT. The boss sent us out for an "evaluation" flight after his interview. I put him in the left seat and he couldn't start the engines. This was a bad sign. It turns out his friend flew a PT91 King Air and let him ride shotgun. He logged all the time as PIC. Point of the story: Be careful what you log, you might have to account for it.

HMR
(A guy who was hired into the left seat of a BE20 with 1300TT, 500Multi, Zero Turbine and NO SIC)

 

[350DRIVER]

Snakum,

Long time no here from, how is life?. To answer your question(s), yes, if the operator does require a SIC, the pilot is trained, qualified, current, etc, then they may legally log the flight time as second in command time and they will have no problems moving on. Most interview boards realize this and I have known a good many over the years who have had no problems. Also keep in mind that many of these folks have ample opportunity to build up quite a bit of PIC time during the repositioning, ferrying, mx flights, etc, where it then would be operated under part 91. Not sure I would be overly concerned about the time being "questioned" since in reality you will have a part 135 record on file that the future employer will get which will show what qualifications that you have.

you go on some extended vacation(s)?.

 

[Snakum]

Thanks for the clarification, all.

Hi J! No ... not on vacation. Just working my fat butt off and doing the chill thing with the flying right now. After I lost my Dad, and almost lost my son, then lost Paul K., I just didn't feel like I should be doing a lot of solo flying right then. My head wasn't in the right place and I don't fly when I'm not 100% ... since I'm not doing it professionally. As soon as work lets up a bit I'll be grinding on the ratings again.

You on the line yet? (PM if you want)

Minh

 

[Hung Start]

Right again, Mr.350!!! Keep those checkride sheets, proof you were trained, checked and qualified. (Well, they never did prove I was qualified, but had I had a good SIC!!)

Log the time,, but be smart. Learn as much as you can, because if you can't talk about the gear, inverters, fuel system and especially starting, you wasted your time and the interviewers.

And, love the time, because a King Air is a great ride.

Enjoy!!

 

[kswhite]

back to the original question and off this SIC topic (IMOHO, log what you want and prepare to explain anything and everything because you will. Per a local DE, you can log anything and it only has to be "per the regs" when meeting a requirment for something. SIC in a King Air? Go for it Johnny. You're a pilot ain't ya and you're dam* sure sitting in the cock pit, why not... )

Serioulsy though, King Air CPs in the Southeast depending on location will make anywhere from 50K to 90K and SICs 20K to 35K (or $250/day for contract work).

Just a quick question for anybody out there and please save the tangents for another post, what would be the going salary for any 135 or 91 light twin PICs flying about 400/year?

 

[flyer172r]

FWIW-The PT135 SIC checkrides at my old FSDO consisted of the pilot sitting in the right seat with a fed in the left. The fed would takeoff, get vectored around for an "approach" and land. The SIC would work the radios. No checklist, no gear or flaps, just talk on the radio. Total time in the air was .2.

Our company ops required the SIC to pass a multi-comm checkride- straight outa' the PTS-from the right seat. I flew there for close to two years and not one SIC passed! We gave up on having full-time SIC's and instead all of us PIC's had to take an SIC ride with the feds. Our FSDO felt that a PIC could not act as an SIC unless they were trained and passed the FSDO SIC checkride. Each of us rode around the patch for .2 and got signed off. I think the feds were more interested in getting their landing currency.

Two questions: first, by multi-comm checkride, do you mean having them do chandelles and lazy-8s? Or a lot of engine-out approaches and the like?

Second, what kinds of things were the SIC candidates busting on?

 

[BayAreaPilot]

Two questions: first, by multi-comm checkride, do you mean having them do chandelles and lazy-8s? Or a lot of engine-out approaches and the like?

Ummm, yea what CMEL PTS are you looking in? There are certainly no lazy 8's or chandelles in there, that would be ridiculous since you really don't have any left-turning tendencies in a twin.

 

[aeronautic1]

Back to the priginal question

A friend of mine flys a Be200 for a furniture chain and makes $70K per year in SoFla.