KCM Policy

[HowardBorden]

Good deal
It's absolutely nuts that the uniform plays any role whatsoever in security- a, they are ridiculously easy to acquire, are not controlled at all, and the uniform policy even in regular lines does nothing but inconvenience crews.
B- there are a dozen reasons I can be traveling officially for work and not be in uniform.
C- who cares if I'm working or traveling for fun? I can sit in the jumpseat to get to vacation on any airline in the states out of uniform-

Can anyone here tell me one good reason that a crewmember with a valid ID, should be treated differently in or out of uniform, whether it's KCM or not?

My sentiments exactly. A piece of clothing is NOT a credential. Especially when that clothing is readily available to anyone and everyone that wishes to purchase it.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Hey. Here's an idea. For once on this forum why don't we be professional and not make this info public. This is not public information. Your company and or union will inform you of crewmember access changes. MODs please delete this thread.

Google "known crewmember", you will be amazed. As has been said before, this is all publicly available information.

Ease up. Adjust tinfoil.

Better?

You're welcome.

 

[HAL]

Good deal
Can anyone here tell me one good reason that a crewmember with a valid ID, should be treated differently in or out of uniform, whether it's KCM or not?

Uniform, no. KCM, yes. Airline IDs are easy to duplicate. Getting through KCM with a fake ID, just about impossible. That's why it was set up in the first place - to give us all a much more secure way to verify ID. So going through KCM in uniform or not = secure. Going through pax screening in uniform or not = same treatment as all the other people on your plane.

HAL

 

[waveflyer]

I am all for installing KCM universally, as I believe it is better security than running us through the cattle call

But how does being in uniform change how inept regular screening is?

In uniform we go through first, carry liquids through regular screening, and keep our shoes on if they do not set the detector off.

Why can't we do that out of uniform if we present a valid ID?

For over a decade! This question has not been answered.
13 years now.... Ridiculous

 

[SDCFI]

I am all for installing KCM universally, as I believe it is better security than running us through the cattle call

But how does being in uniform change how inept regular screening is?

In uniform we go through first, carry liquids through regular screening, and keep our shoes on if they do not set the detector off.

Why can't we do that out of uniform if we present a valid ID?

For over a decade! This question has not been answered.
13 years now.... Ridiculous

Two reasons: one, line jumping is supposed to be for working crews so they don't have to worry about missing show times because of long lines. It really has nothing to do with security. Two, appearances. Joe and Jane shmo pax don't want someone cutting in line without a good reason. By only allowing uniformed crew to cut it helps keep the unwashed masses content.

As far as KCM it's not just for on duty crews so the uniform req was just another tsa power trip to keep their minions from getting too confused. Apparently we have already had folks go through in civilian clothes without too much hassle so good on them for being reasonable for once.

 

[waveflyer]

You've never had a trip begin with a one leg deadhead? Commuters don't need to get to work or get home? You don't need to make your flight when you go to training?

Really? Jane and joe is a good reason? I'm sure they'll get over it when they see the badge. That's just for cutting, the badge gets you to the crew line and once that far I usually just take my place anyway. My bigger issue is having to comply with all the liquids and shoe nonsense after they see a badge because I'm not wearing my $22 cheap white shirt with epaulettes. There are a 1/2 dozen reasons I travel for SWA legitimately and throw on the uniform just to placate the TSA

<soapbox>^^^^^

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I wonder if the Stews will ever thank us? (sarcasm inserted)
What's the odds on one of them sheeples screwing this up for all?

 

[waveflyer]

I wonder if the Stews will ever thank us? (sarcasm inserted)
What's the odds on one of them sheeples screwing this up for all?

You know, my cousin is one and I think about this too..
Way too many with prescription drug habits and too little invested in the career to have them ALL keep it together

 

[Tripower455]

For over a decade! This question has not been answered.
13 years now.... Ridiculous

A decade? The "security" eyewash show starring flight crews has been going for almost 3 decades.........

 

[CA1900]

A decade? The "security" eyewash show starring flight crews has been going for almost 3 decades.........

And all because a fired ticket agent killed a plane full of people. Doesn't make any sense at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

 

[Tripower455]

And all because a fired ticket agent killed a plane full of people. Doesn't make any sense at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

Exactly......

 

[waveflyer]

A decade? The "security" eyewash show starring flight crews has been going for almost 3 decades.........

I don't mind going through regular security. It's this idea that I should have different security procedures in place because I'm wearing a uniform that's asinine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that particular part started with the TSA and was ratcheted up with the liquids.

 

[kf4amu]

I don't mind going through regular security.

I do, because it's pointless for us.

 

[Tripower455]

I don't mind going through regular security. It's this idea that I should have different security procedures in place because I'm wearing a uniform that's asinine.

I'm not sure what you're getting at....

You have issues with the asinine way that asinine procedures are being implemented? The logic of screening the only employees on the airport that don't need a weapon to "take over the airplane" is asinine. The uniform/no uniform, liquid/no liquid BS is just icing on that cake. Zero logic behind it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that particular part started with the TSA and was ratcheted up with the liquids.

I couldn't tell you, since I've been screened as a passenger maybe half a dozen times in 11 years.

Since the entire idea of screening flight crews as passengers (while letting the "trusted employees" waltz in the back door) trips my logic CB, I don't pay attention to what's going on in The Greatest Security Show on Earth.

 

[tomgoodman]

The logic of screening the only employees on the airport that don't need a weapon to "take over the airplane" is asinine.

Supposedly, a Government official once admitted in a private conversation: "We know that uniformed crew members with an ID pose no security threat, but we found that visibly screening them has a beneficial effect on passenger compliance with the program."