Kalitta

[ABXbooger]

Pipejock, I gotta ask...

how did you get 2000TT with 1000 727 SIC and 1700 Multi?

Not flaming just would like to hear the story...

 

[whereamI]

how did you get 2000TT with 1000 727 SIC and 1700 Multi

I am guessing with his checkbook (ie. CAT).

 

[belchfire]

I got the form letter saying they
have my resume...how's the interview
(just in case...Dear God please...)

 

[IHaveAPension]

How much additional hiring will result with the new DHL route JFK-BRU-BAH?

 

[pipejockey]

ABXbooger, I appreciate you not intending to flame if it really wasn't your intention to do so. Although I'm sure you realize your query will do just that! I'm not a story teller so I don't have one to give but I will tell you about 300 of the multi is recip time acquired from my primary training and pleasure flying. Another roughly 300 is Metro time at a part 135 operator. A regrettable stint at a regional airline for a little over 100 hours which I promptly gave up and the last 1000 have been in the 727.

Now it's my turn to say, "not flaming" but if these regional airline FO's think what they are doing is earning a living, may god help them. I knew what the pay was before hiring on at the regional, but I truly thought QOL would be better....haha the joke was on me! I chose to become an airline pilot because I wanted to earn a living doing something I have had an interest in since I was a kid. But working at a regional airline is akin to working for free! I'll never be a part of that racket again. I earned more my first year at my current employer than an FO maxed out on the pay scale can earn at the regionals.

As far as my checkbook having something to do with things. Well, I made a decision to do what would allow me to earn the income required to actually use my checkbook. Not only that, but a decision that will allow me to qualify at a career airline years sooner than if I allowed myself to be used and treated unfairly at a "regional". I have the potential to have the quality of flight time at 3500 hours that many take 6500 to acquire.

The bottom line is this... one has to do what they feel is best for themselves, their families, and their future, and not worry about what other people think about it. If those working for $17-20 an hour at a regional, with 5 years or more to upgrade feel they are doing whats best for them...so be it! I love to fly, but it will be a cold day in he*l before I will put forth the time, effort, skill, and professionalism the job requires, for companies that have the gall to pay their pilots no more than a migrant worker from Mexico.

 

[bombinha]

What about follow the right path as being honest to yourself and start from the bottom of the ladder to get at the top what you did is what the airlines really and actualy want rich people paying to have a job.
At least the regional guys you refer didn't pay for their type as most of them don't even have neither credit nor the money for that. About your experience still nothing but 1 jet steam gages you flew ont the easiest place to fly on earth (USA). So when you fly oversees and learn how to do a NDB approach on a very bad weather surrounded by TS and CB's and the ground personel need to reset the CB's of the NDB beacon in the middle of your approach and you land with 45 kts cross wind component because you have no alternate (they all closed due a quick front) them you can talk about experience. Cross the pound with 1 less engine and don't sweat also counts.
But don't worry the industry still have place to everybody included the shortcutters.
It's your mind I just would never pay to get a job neither a type rating even if it means wait a little more.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

What about follow the right path as being honest to yourself and start from the bottom of the ladder to get at the top what you did is what the airlines really and actualy want rich people paying to have a job.
At least the regional guys you refer didn't pay for their type as most of them don't even have neither credit nor the money for that. About your experience still nothing but 1 jet steam gages you flew ont the easiest place to fly on earth (USA). So when you fly oversees and learn how to do a NDB approach on a very bad weather surrounded by TS and CB's and the ground personel need to reset the CB's of the NDB beacon in the middle of your approach and you land with 45 kts cross wind component because you have no alternate (they all closed due a quick front) them you can talk about experience. Cross the pound with 1 less engine and don't sweat also counts.
But don't worry the industry still have place to everybody included the shortcutters.
It's your mind I just would never pay to get a job neither a type rating even if it means wait a little more.

As "The Big Lebowski" would say,,,"What in Gods name are you blathering about???!!!"

 

[bombinha]

you know what Willow run you right life is good let's drink one more.
Salut

 

[bombinha]

ah willow the subject was experience in really hard places to fly not USA of course, as here is the easiest.

 

[bombinha]

Hey pipe I do agree with you they should never accept less than at least 35/hr to fly jets no matter if it is a 30, 50 or 70 seaters on regionals.
I just said I wouldn't do it the way you did but it's ok please don't be mad.

 

[pipejockey]

Wow bombinha, I think you just insulted 1000,s of pilots here in the USA who work for Airtran, SWA, Jetblue and the like, who don't fly international runs. I'd say over half of the pilot's at these airlines haven't flown to places you speak of. But no doubt, some of the places in the 3rd world are deadly dangerous, but I'm gaining great experience and someday I do strive to fly in the places you describe. As far as my flying a steam gauge airplane, it is more difficult to go from glass to steam than vice versa. The glass cockpit guys have every convienience at their disposal to assure situational awareness at all times.

 

[pipejockey]

By the way, thanks for your opinions, thats what this message board is all about bombinha.

 

[bombinha]

Hey Pipe my intention was never ofend anyone not even compare don't think that way and I know all these pilots you mention undertood what I meant. USA has all facilities you have radio contact all the time, you have radar coverage all the time w/doppler, and you have ILS in most of airports plus (on the east coast at least) an asphalt runway every 20 miles or so. Like you said there are dangerous places out there, but there are safety out there too. And USA despite all the facilities still strugling on safety issues and is not among the 10 most safety countries to fly or in other words we still have a lot of accidents and incidents here that could be easily avoided if FAA change some regulations but there is no interest. In doing that airlines would have to spend money and that's what is about. And you are right one more time steam gauges really givve you a lot more experience and expertise. But why would leave the right seat of a wonderful machine like the 727 to fly as an FE on a 747? As I understand your salary is already nice as an SO/FE you probably not gonna make as much.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Hey Pipe my intention was never ofend anyone not even compare don't think that way and I know all these pilots you mention undertood what I meant. USA has all facilities you have radio contact all the time, you have radar coverage all the time w/doppler, and you have ILS in most of airports plus (on the east coast at least) an asphalt runway every 20 miles or so. Like you said there are dangerous places out there, but there are safety out there too. And USA despite all the facilities still strugling on safety issues and is not among the 10 most safety countries to fly or in other words we still have a lot of accidents and incidents here that could be easily avoided if FAA change some regulations but there is no interest. In doing that airlines would have to spend money and that's what is about. And you are right one more time steam gauges really givve you a lot more experience and expertise. But why would leave the right seat of a wonderful machine like the 727 to fly as an FE on a 747? As I understand your salary is already nice as an SO/FE you probably not gonna make as much.

If we have more accidents here its because the boys here wanna get the job done period. In Europa if every lights not workin its back to the hotel until they can buy another plane. Not here, we usually take what we got unless it is truly safety related. Our on-demand freight guys shoot NDB's in ragged-out DC9's into 6000 foot uncontrolled strips EVERYDAY! As far as glass vs steam?,,,with glass its "can I have another Pepsi while I watch this thing fly itself". Nuff said

 

[ABXbooger]

I got bored about halfway through your post, so I gotta ask...are you saying you paid for your time?


I have never hired before, but I gotta wonder, again, I'm not flaming, I am asking for honest opinions here...how does that look as you are sitting in an interview and they ask for a brief rundown of your flight time? Any guys in here who do the interviewing process?

 

[Digital]

We all enjoy what we do..at least we did at one point. How we got to our current qualifications greatly depended on when we caught a break, as well as, when we were breaking in to our industry. Flying the heavy equipment goes hand in hand with international ops, and therefore is considered to be more note worthy on a resume. But let's not blast a guy out of the water, or even attempt to under rate his qualifications because of the equiptment he flies. Given the opportunity, such as we all had at one time or another, most pilots would have travelled the same road. The only major difference is that technology has changed things, and a number of pilots who had to "do it the hard way"..Now Don't. Just keep in mind that the younger generation now moving into the newer technology, is just as eager, as each of us was when we began to fly. And their path will indeed be shaped differently than those who came before them. This is no great revelation to anyone, however, I believe it bare's thinking about every once and while. Heck, I've got kids, and I hope no one scorn's them should they decide to follow in their old man's foot steps. This industry seems hard enough at times. Sometimes we just need to take a few moments to look at the bigger picture! Safe flying all!!

 

[mtnflyer]

great post,Digital.

 

[pipejockey]

I agree Digital.

I got bored about halfway through your post, so I gotta ask...are you saying you paid for your time?

ABX, I don't quite understand what you mean. I clearly laid out how I got my flight time in my lengthy post. I'll try again. Do you really think one would be flying as FO for a part 121 supplemental, on the road for weeks at a time and functioning on the backside of the clock for free? I stated I left the regional scene due to the unconsionable pay and QOL there, so of course I am paid for the flight time I am building now in the 727. I am not going to pay them for the honor of working for them.

Now paying for the training one must go through before getting the job is another story. That was money well spent! A mere drop in the bucket over the course of ones career where seniority is everything, and the quicker you get to a career airline could mean 100s of thousands of dollars in total career earnings.

Now lets get back to Kallita. Do you have to apply to Kallita II seperately? I understand it is they who fly the 727's. I would probably have more of a chance with them considering my 727 time.

 

[lear24]

Another thread lost to PFT...

 

[Godvek]

Pipejockey, who do you work for?