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Word of caution with Asian carriers...they are absolutely by the book and take standardization to the 'nth degree. If the FCOM says the response is 'CHECK' and you respond 'CHECKS' or 'CHECKED' it is grounds to stop the sim...and they do.


Our instructor stopped the sim one day and showed us that the calls for the flight controls check had the word aileron only once "ailerons left, right" (I said ailerons left, ailerons right) after we had passed our first JCAB check ride we went out with him for a few frosty beverages, he explained to us that they were very strict on the calls because that was the only way that crews from different native languages and heavy accents could interact not only during normal ops but more importantly during an emergency. Now that I'm on the line I understand what he meant because the Japanese I have no problems understanding but the Aussies? outside of the checklists and standard calls, I only get half of what they say
 
Hello to the KAL guys, I have an interview for a B737 PIC position in April through CCL and have a few questions about how the contract works to those who are in the know.

I am currently flying a BBJ, G-IV, and a Challenger for a private company that is shutting down their flight department like most of them here in the US. I have 1500 hours as a PIC on the BBJ. I was laid off from Delta way back in 2001 and have not been interested in working for an airline again, but the KAL contarct is rather appealing to me. I would get more time off than I get now, and I enjoy flying in Asia, and have experience in that part of the world.

1) What is the schedule like while you are on duty? Is it 6 on 1 off or something else? How are the schedules built? Do you get a reserve line for a bit, or do you get a real line right off the bat?

2) I plan to take the 11 days off option, how many days do they give you to commute? I will be using ATL as my base, and heard that you get 3 days, 2 to travel to work, a 1 to get home, but just want to get the real number from someone who knows.

3) I understand that they put you up at the Hyatt while at base, what types of ammenities do they offer if any? Do you guys get free breakfast, free internet? The Internet would be the best freebe

4) Does the company issue a cell phone for company use, or do you need to get one yourself? How do they normally contact you?

5) Who pays for the business class tickets? Does the cotractor (CCL) in my case pay for the ticket, or does KAL put you on a positive space business class ticket to/from your base? I ask this because I am interested if you guys collect FF miles, I am platinum medalion on Delta with about 900,000 miles in my account and am just wondering since KAL is a skyteam member. This would be a huge bonus to this contract, if not are there ways to get the miles?

Thanks for the answers in advance
 
I can remember when KAL consisted of 3 C-117's (C-47's with an airline interior) and then suddenly there were only 2 because they groundlooped one on take-off at K-9 Pusan. The wreck lay for months on its belly between the taxiway and runway with the insignia painted out in the finest 1930's US tradition. <grin>
 
I think the point you are missing is that he brought most of his problems on himself. That's not to say that I defend Korean's training style or the fact that they have certain check airman who might be less than 100% professional.

What I am saying is that attitude as an expat is just as important, if not more so, than ability. That particular pilot very clearly had a negative attitude and was not willing to adapt to KAL's culture. He was judgmental, argumentative, and unaccepting of the way that KAL wanted him to operate the aircraft.


TP
I wonder who you work for for? How can you assume that this DL pilot did not adapt to the Korean culture. Do you know the Asian culture? Do you know the European culture? I trained in the US and work in Europe and I can tell you that things are different. Not one thing or detail, but everything. I am from Europe and I am dealing with it, but it's hard. We have a joke among the regular line pilots, Whenever you are in training, get the "yes box" out. During debriefings, line checks, type ratings, only 1 possible answer...YES sir! "you ********************ed up"...yes sir, "you can't fly"...yes sir! ect... I have be told that the upgrade process is like a play. Learn you're part, go through the pile of books and no mater what, say...Yes sir! Well, I got in this business to be a pilot, not an actor! I use to fly for a Cargo Company in Luxembourg, and pilots were from all over. I flew with Koreans. Very nice people indeed, but it was hard to communicate due to their poor command of English...and we had those who could speak the best. I also heard numerous stories of colleagues coming from an Asian company, who had been promised an upgrade that never came, were lied to concerning their starting date, thus affecting how much time they owed the company... I know a guy from Scandinavia who was sued by Singapore Airlines because he had left to early (according to them, not to him...but you're always wrong with these people), and had to pay insane amounts of money. What I am trying to say, is that it's easy to point your finger at people when you have not been out of your turf. Maybe you have, and I apologize if all this is familiar to you, but I have worked in the US and European system. I have adapted to my company's culture. I am trying not to be judgmental, argumentative, and unaccepting of the way that my airline wants me to operate the aircraft. Still...easier said than done. The good part: I have a job.
 
I wonder who you work for for? An airline with over 70 different nationalities of flight deck crew.


How can you assume that this DL pilot did not adapt to the Korean culture. Not an assumption. I know people who interacted with him in training. Even if I didn't one only needs to read the tone of his letter to figure it out.


Do you know the Asian culture? Yes, very well actually. I speak an Asian language and have lived and worked in Asia.


Do you know the European culture? I'd have to say yes to that, but it's not material in this case.


I trained in the US and work in Europe and I can tell you that things are different. Not one thing or detail, but everything. I am from Europe and I am dealing with it, but it's hard. We have a joke among the regular line pilots, Whenever you are in training, get the "yes box" out. During debriefings, line checks, type ratings, only 1 possible answer...YES sir! "you ********************ed up"...yes sir, "you can't fly"...yes sir! ect... I have be told that the upgrade process is like a play. Learn you're part, go through the pile of books and no mater what, say...Yes sir! Well, I got in this business to be a pilot, not an actor! I use to fly for a Cargo Company in Luxembourg, and pilots were from all over. I flew with Koreans. Very nice people indeed, but it was hard to communicate due to their poor command of English...and we had those who could speak the best. I also heard numerous stories of colleagues coming from an Asian company, who had been promised an upgrade that never came, were lied to concerning their starting date, thus affecting how much time they owed the company... I know a guy from Scandinavia who was sued by Singapore Airlines because he had left to early (according to them, not to him...but you're always wrong with these people), and had to pay insane amounts of money. What I am trying to say, is that it's easy to point your finger at people when you have not been out of your turf.

I know significantly more about the facts of this case than you do. I've also witnessed similar cases many times.

Maybe you have, and I apologize if all this is familiar to you, but I have worked in the US and European system. I have adapted to my company's culture. I am trying not to be judgmental, argumentative, and unaccepting of the way that my airline wants me to operate the aircraft. Still...easier said than done. The good part: I have a job.

That's good, you'll be more successful that way.

Apology accepted.

Typhoonpilot
 

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