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[Typhoon1244]

If you are not ready for a child then you should not be having sex.

Bingo. That's the whole point, exactly.

Unfortunately, telling teenagers to not have sex is like trying to cool a Brasilia in Houston in July with a deferred APU and one pack.

(Hey, I'm trying to get some aviation back in here... )

 

[Timebuilder]

Or, trying to cool a Lear with that "silly-small" compressor driven by an electric motor!!

 

[siucavflight]

i got one,
Trying to cool your foot by sticking it in an oven.

Thank you

 

[TonyC]

Unfortunately, telling teenagers to not have sex is like trying to cool a Brasilia in Houston in July with a deferred APU and one pack.

That's why you don't wait 'til they're teenagers to start teaching them right from wrong.

 

[TonyC]

Murder vs. Medicine?

So yes, what you saw was murder, not medicine.

Let me see if I've got this straight.

When the head of the child/baby/fetus/mass of tissue delivers first, and a cry is heard, and a breath is taken, and the eyes look about at the onlooking medical "professionals" and the head is crushed until the heart stops beating in the child/baby/fetus/mass of tissue, that is, by your estimation, murder.

But if the feet and torso deliver first so that the cry cannot be heard, the breath cannot be taken, and the eyes cannot see, then the forceful thrust of the metal tube through the back of the neck up into the skull that delivers a suction that vacuums the contents of the skull out, so that it can be crushed and subsequently delivered, that stops the beating of the same heart of the same child/baby/fetus/mass of tissue - - that's MEDICINE?

Give me a break.

I don't think feet first or head first makes an iota of difference.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

...that's MEDICINE?

Yep. "Dialation and Extraction." D-and-X. It's a medical procedure. Period.

I don't like it...not at all. And believe it or not, Tony, it wasn't my idea.

I've already told you I believe elective abortion is wrong. What more do you want?

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

Yep. "Dialation and Extraction." D-and-X. It's a medical procedure. Period.

I don't like it...not at all. And believe it or not, Tony, it wasn't my idea.

I've already told you I believe elective abortion is wrong. What more do you want?

OK, OK. Don't get all defensive. I wasn't attacking you. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the words.

What more do I want? Well, I didn't really want anything else, but since you asked....

You used a qualifier when you stated you think abortion is wrong. You said ELECTIVE abortion is wrong. Why do you think ELECTIVE abortion is wrong? A couple can ELECT to abstain from sex, and thereby prevent a pregnancy. A couple can ELECT to use contraceptives, and thereby reduce the chance of pregnancy. A couple can ELECT to have an abortion, and thereby terminate a pregnancy. Is it the election that's wrong, or the abortion?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

Is it the election that's wrong, or the abortion?

The election is wrong. If someone wants an abortion because they've decided they just don't want the baby, then they're wrong. They need to be responsible and find another answer.

If the fetus is injured and will not survive the pregnancy or delivery, or if the mother will be injured or killed by a continued pregnancy...what would you do, Tony? Tell the mother "tough luck, sweetheart?"

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

The election is wrong. If someone wants an abortion because they've decided they just don't want the baby, then they're wrong. They need to be responsible and find another answer.

I'm trying to aim my question very carefully, and I believe you might be missing my point. Election of abstention or election of contraceptives is deemed perfectly legitimate (well, at least in most circles - - the latter is not among Catholics). Why then, is election of abortion wrong? What makes abortion, in this circumstance (election), wrong? In your mind? I'm just curious.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

Election of abstention or election of contraceptives is deemed perfectly legitimate (well, at least in most circles - - the latter is not among Catholics). Why then, is election of abortion wrong? What makes abortion, in this circumstance (election), wrong? In your mind? I'm just curious.

In my mind, it comes down to this: elective abortion ends a life (proto-life?) for selfish reasons.

Aborting a fetus that is going to suffer or die is humane.

Aborting a fetus that is going to injur or kill its mother...in my mind, it is a gray area. But must we tell these women that they have to suffer and/or die because W. accepted Christ as his savior?

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

In my mind, it comes down to this: elective abortion ends a life ...

I suspected that you might say this, but I couldn't put words in your mouth. I only pursued this line of questioning because you initially used the "murder" word when describing an equivalent (at least in my mind) procedure.

IF we agree that abortion ends a life, then it only gets, as you say, gray when we start trying to decide WHEN it's ok to end the life. It's gray when we say it's humane in one situation, but selfish in another. It's gray when we say it's ok if a doctor says there's an 85% chance of death to the mother - - but another doctor says the chance is only 75%... or 55%... or 15% - - where does one draw the line?

It either ends a life, or it does not.

If it does, who gets to decide when the taking of a life is OK?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Murder vs. Medicine?

...who gets to decide when the taking of a life is OK?

If I had the answer to that question, I wouldn't be jerking around with the rest of you on Flightinfo.com!

This isn't like the chemtrail thing. I'm telling y'all what I think. If you don't agree, that's okay. Doesn't matter.