Just to let you know, the DC-9 is, was a Regional Jet

[SuperPilot]

Those PAX sure looked to be having a swell time! Only an hour flight and they were knockin' em back like professionals! I miss the old days of flying...

 

[noperf]

Wein went on strike over the 3rd pilot position on the 737. ALPA national policy at the time was turbo-jets had a 3rd pilot. Delta MEC agreed with management to fly the 9 with two pilots. As I recall American dropped out of ALPA in about '64 over an ALPA sympathy stirke with the Engineer's union when the majors wanted FE's to have pilot liscences.

 

[Captain Morgan]

SuperPilot: I always look forward to your avatars... Nice work! :beer:

 

[D-Bo]

No, the B737 and DC9 were always 2 pilot airplanes....

At UAL in the 70s and early 80s, the 737-200 was operated with a crew of three per our contract at the time. The 3rd pilot occupied the middle jumpseat and it was actually referred to as an engineer position.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yep and those "regional" pilots in the video would have held NWA seniority numbers after three or four mergers. There was not all this alter ego "portfolio" stuff - ALPA would not have let it happen back then.

 

[regionaltard]

Yep and those "regional" pilots in the video would have held NWA seniority numbers after three or four mergers. There was not all this alter ego "portfolio" stuff - ALPA would not have let it happen back then.

Shhhh! Do Not Disturb. Union Sleeping.

 

[Donsa320]

Yep and those "regional" pilots in the video would have held NWA seniority numbers after three or four mergers. There was not all this alter ego "portfolio" stuff - ALPA would not have let it happen back then.

You are correct. I was one of them. Started in DC-3's and Convairs in 1959 at North Central and retired as a B-747-400 capt on international pay.

It was later that things fell apart. I do believe a great part of it was because of APA and AA getting Eagle into the tent. That and the AA "B" scale. Now APA wants to get everything back since 1992. Fat chance IMHO.

Standing by for incoming....

DC

 

[Speedtape]

No, the B737 and DC9 were always 2 pilot airplanes....

ALPA wanted the rule that any plane over 80K gross had to have a flight engineer. They wanted to enforce the rule and have a pilot sit there and pick his nose and PAY DUES!

A350

I've seen plenty of people do that in the left seat!

 

[Speedtape]

Wein went on strike over the 3rd pilot position on the 737. ALPA national policy at the time was turbo-jets had a 3rd pilot. Delta MEC agreed with management to fly the 9 with two pilots. As I recall American dropped out of ALPA in about '64 over an ALPA sympathy stirke with the Engineer's union when the majors wanted FE's to have pilot liscences.

Was there a flight engineer on the Convair 880 that Delta flew?

Who let camel's nose in the tent on RJ's?

 

[JohnnyP]

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Was there a flight engineer on the Convair 880 that Delta flew?

Yes there was. My father flew the CV880 @ DAL and mentioned there was a flight engineer spot. The way he spoke of it, it seemed to be sort of an afterthought, but a guy was in the seat nonetheless.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yeah, but someone had to know the memory items for the engine starts and figure out how to feed fuel to those thirsty JT3's.

FWIW the "Spirit of Delta" the 767-200 in their ATL museum has a FE spot and there is much less to do on a 767 than there is a DC-9.

Makes for a nice, roomy, cockpit. Looks like my wife's aerobics classroom, with a few more lights and a few less hotties.

 

[~~~^~~~]

You are correct. I was one of them. Started in DC-3's and Convairs in 1959 at North Central and retired as a B-747-400 capt on international pay.

It was later that things fell apart. I do believe a great part of it was because of APA and AA getting Eagle into the tent. That and the AA "B" scale. Now APA wants to get everything back since 1992. Fat chance IMHO.

Standing by for incoming....

DC

Thank you for posting. People are forgetting what a union is supposed to be working towards and it seems like ALPA is just marketing itself as a "legal services plan." My Dad went from a 747 driver to a gas station attendant (his station) and thought he might be out of the business when his airline got bought out. Thank's to what ALPA was, he retired from Fed Ex.

 

[Speedtape]

Thank you for posting. People are forgetting what a union is supposed to be working towards and it seems like ALPA is just marketing itself as a "legal services plan." My Dad went from a 747 driver to a gas station attendant (his station) and thought he might be out of the business when his airline got bought out. Thank's to what ALPA was, he retired from Fed Ex.

Was he a Flying Tiger?

 

[siucavflight]

Back in the early 1980's:

PIA-ORD 113nm United 727
PIA-STL 119nm Ozark DC-9

There were smoking sections, too.

United still runs two 757 a day from November through april from ORD TO GRR
Total distance 118.6NM.