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Now maybe PSA Management will realize that paying their employees is a good thing...
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Management doesn't care if we eat! Go to MEM, Saturdays the restaurant is closed. Sure i could get some ribs at the BBQ place....But that just doesn't taste right for breakfast. Oh there is the deep fried shoe place....Fried Catfish...Hold on i have to puke....uuugghheheh pluhey....

Our hotels are really unacceptable but they don't care. I think we should all just refuse trips to CAE, FAY, XNA, MEM... Yes i know we are not on Vacation but having access to restaurants, grocery stores, parks... is that really a luxury we don't deserve?
 
I wouldn't have expected anything less from this pilot group. I'm glad to see that the group has spoken to what is morally right! Keep the faith guys. Good things are going to come!
 
I dont think management is done with the deal. I think that they thought their "scare tactics" would work and the Pilot group would cower to them. Their bluff got called and methinks the management will return with a favorable offer for the sake of their own job security.
 
well we all applaude, but when it comes to our back yard we all ******************** in our pants.
have some balls STRIKE for real!!!!!!!!!!!!mean All the RA pilots.

Unions...bla, bla, bla, bla.........................
TSA pilot
 
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gcsass said:
Now if only mainline could grow a set...........
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Ain't that the truth, they should take every route back that used to be flown by mainline airplanes.

Oh wait.....that would mean most of PSA would be out of work...and TSA....and Mesa.....and.......;)
 
jetfo said:
Source?
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Check the Local...it's true.

Guess you should've voted a few more times huh? ;)
 
scuttlebut is that the low rates didn't even come from tempe, but only from KH and TK but thats just what i'd heard lol

regardless, nice job bluestreakers
 
That's what I understand. Typical KH tactics. What a swell guy, huh?
 
Well done!!

The 900 will come to PSA. It's up to the pilots as to what they are
willing to fly them for. You have won the first round and are in a position
to win it all!!
 
I applaud the PSA pilot group for taking a stand, but I think that you are kidding yourselves to think that managment didn't anticipate you would reject the offer. I am not flaming, I am stating the obvious when it comes to labor relations. Managment wouldn't have made the offer without a plan if it was rejected. If I were at PSA I would be very apprehensive about my future beyond the next couple of years. There is absolutely NOTHING to prevent USAirways board of directors voting to liquidate PSA, in fact I would be surprised to see either PSA or PDT around in five years. I personally don't want to see that happen, but managment has a bottom-line figure in mind for what they are willing to budget the operating funds of PSA/PDT. Remember, PSA/PDT are given a budget to operate and all their revenue goes to central kitty. If PSA or PDT cannot be operated within the budget targets set by management they are going to seek another way to feed the hubs, it's market economics plain and simple.
I knew when the merger was announced and mainline came out of bankruptcy that the handwriting was more than on the wall. PSA was never and is never going to see the remainder of their outstanding CRJ orders that stopped during the first bankruptcy...Those MESA CRJ-900s are where your "deliveries" went. I'm not a Mesa basher either, I've JS'ted on them many times and they are just trying to make a living. But, it is difficult to deny that PSA was sent a message when those deliveries never materialized, and the first CRJ-900 in the new colors blocked in at CLT.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead
 
You know what would be really great and a good moral boost?
If management actually went up to bat for the PSA pilots and did something about our hotels and scheduling. There is more here then just a pay raise. I would love it if the hotel lady would join us for a 4 day...better yet a reserve 6 day. Overnight in CAE, XNA, CAK, DAY, FAY. See how she likes 14 hour days, continue reserve, 5 am hot reserve, and last leg of the 6 day ending too late to get home.

Me: "Why did it take you over 45 min to get us?"

Driver: "I left right away when i got the call"

Me: "But the hotel is only 5 min away".

Driver, who is now making me sick with his poor driving: "Sir I told you i left right after i got the call".

Me: "Did you get lost?"

---------------------------Silence--------------------------

Me: "So do you drivers go through any kind of safety course?, Drivers education? Recurrent training? Do you get tested ever? Do you even have a licence? Do you know that you jamming on the brakes, serving all over the road is making me sick? Can you just try a little bit to earn the dollar tip?

Arrive at the Hotel... Drivers hand is out for the tip....Give him my last buck.

At the counter.

Me: "Here is my points card"

Hotel Clerk: "Points? You don't get, points", "You don't pay for your rooms, and you get the lowest rate". Given with a very unsincere grin.

Me: "Like crap i don't pay for my rooms. Seen my pay check? My low wages are paying for it believe me." Getting Red.

Me: "How about a van drive to a movie theater, grocery store, restaurant?"

Hotel Clerk: "Sorry the van can only take you to the airport".

Me: "Why?"

Hotel Clerk: "We need the van for hotel guests"

Me: "What the _ _ _ _ am I?" Saying under my breath.

Me: "We have a 4:55am show. Can we get a 4:45am van?"

Hotel Clerk: "Sir the Van leaves on the hour and half hour only."

Me: "Why?"

Hotel Clerk: "Because that is the way we have always done it."

Me: "Why argue with logic like that".


Get to my room.....Slide my key in...Nothing... Try again....Still nothing.
Lug my crap back to the front counter.

Me: "Sir, my key is not working."

Hotel Clerk: Sigh........Showing his i don't give a rats ass look. "Here try this!"

Me: "Thanks and can i get a 4 am wake up call please?"

Hotel Clerk: Sigh again "Sign here" Throws me the clipboard.

Continued when i get the time------------------------------
 
Nice Job Gents and Ladies!!! Hopefully we can have the upper hand now. Just remember though that they probably already have a plan C and D lined up. They cried wolf before and we called their bluff this time, but that doesn't mean they don't have back up plans. We need to hold the line and stay together.

Keep living the nightmare!!!
 
Nice job PSA. It looks like you and the Comair F/A's are the only one with balls in this industry. We (at ASA) will be growing a pair of big ones soon.
 
Kaman said:
I applaud the PSA pilot group for taking a stand, but I think that you are kidding yourselves to think that managment didn't anticipate you would reject the offer. I am not flaming, I am stating the obvious when it comes to labor relations. Managment wouldn't have made the offer without a plan if it was rejected. If I were at PSA I would be very apprehensive about my future beyond the next couple of years. There is absolutely NOTHING to prevent USAirways board of directors voting to liquidate PSA, in fact I would be surprised to see either PSA or PDT around in five years. I personally don't want to see that happen, but managment has a bottom-line figure in mind for what they are willing to budget the operating funds of PSA/PDT. Remember, PSA/PDT are given a budget to operate and all their revenue goes to central kitty. If PSA or PDT cannot be operated within the budget targets set by management they are going to seek another way to feed the hubs, it's market economics plain and simple.
I knew when the merger was announced and mainline came out of bankruptcy that the handwriting was more than on the wall. PSA was never and is never going to see the remainder of their outstanding CRJ orders that stopped during the first bankruptcy...Those MESA CRJ-900s are where your "deliveries" went. I'm not a Mesa basher either, I've JS'ted on them many times and they are just trying to make a living. But, it is difficult to deny that PSA was sent a message when those deliveries never materialized, and the first CRJ-900 in the new colors blocked in at CLT.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead
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They will be around!! PSA/PDT make tons of cash for US Airways!!! If they hadn't, we both would have been sold or gone a long, long time ago!! And rumor has it that there were some offers for the WO's and US Airways backed out. Out of the 305 Million in Profit.... 120 Million can from Express... The 900's will come to PSA!! US Airways already has way to many 50 seaters, and with Doug Parker in talks with Bombardier for Q300's/400's we (PDT) will probably be around for awhile also...
The problem with your theory is that everyone is flying Regional Jets for such Shi$$y wages that it now makes more sense to start working on keepin all the flying in house.... While US Airways was losing money in the past.... All the contract carriers were lining there pockets!!
 
PSA, you'll be at the negotiating table soon enough for those 900s.

You're dead on with the hotel situation. That woman in the SSO must be trailer tracsh if she thinks the places we all stay in now are OK. Some are just fine, but in our system PHL, FLO, and a couple of others rent rooms by the hour. She visited FLO and said it was fine. Guess she didn't have one of the normal rooms next to the interstate / railroad overlooking the hookers, crack dealers, and common thugs.
 
You're dead on with the hotel situation. That woman in the SSO must be trailer tracsh if she thinks the places we all stay in now are OK. Some are just fine, but in our system PHL, FLO, and a couple of others rent rooms by the hour. She visited FLO and said it was fine. Guess she didn't have one of the normal rooms next to the interstate / railroad overlooking the hookers, crack dealers, and common thugs.__________________
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Yes she says that "We are not on Vacation".

Cause if i was on vacation and i stayed in hotels like this i would have a mullet and a confederate flag tattooed on my forehead. I would also be very skinny and malnourished because of the low quality fast food options for us.
But again we are not on vacation so quality of life is not important!
 

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