Jumpseat 101 for FEDEX Pilot.

[freightdogfred]

I don't care if you don't take someone who isn't polite and is a jerk, that's their problem. Or, take them and then publicly humiliate them here, if you like.

The one hour rule is imposed by our company, not sure why. Probably so the ramp doesn't have to change the W&B at the last minute. If it were up to us, you could get on with late-bulk freight, after the door is closed.

Good luck with your jumpseat war, I'm sure it will work out for you just fine.

It's your attitude towards proper etiquette that brought on the whole thread.
Send me a PM with your name, so I'll know ta greet ya warmly when ya show up.

 

[Caveman]

Also keep in mind a pilot has to do the jumpseater brief- pax guys have flight attendants.

Not quite right. If the JSer is riding up front it's up to the pilots to conduct the brief.

 

[Purpled]

It's your attitude towards proper etiquette that brought on the whole thread.
Send me a PM with your name, so I'll know ta greet ya warmly when ya show up.

And you have a problem with proper etiquette?

For the record, it was my idea to share helpful hints on each individual airlines quirks to help guys out when they jumpseated. We've provided good info on Fedex, how about your airline? Which one was that again?

 

[talespin]

Can't we just all get along! You guys sound worse than an bunch of eight year old's. Just do what your mama taught ya and remember we are all in this gig together.

T.S.

 

[freightdogfred]

And you have a problem with proper etiquette?

For the record, it was my idea to share helpful hints on each individual airlines quirks to help guys out when they jumpseated. We've provided good info on Fedex, how about your airline? Which one was that again?

I have no problem with proper etiquette...I have a problem with your attitude towards proper etiquette. I learned it from doing this job for over 20 years, bumming rides from old-skool skippers at outfits like PanAm,Eastern and TWA, roughly about the time you were going thru puberty.

Send me a PM with your name, and I'll respond with my airline. Then we'll be be able to keep an "eye" out for each other.

 

[Purpled]

I have no problem with proper etiquette...I have a problem with your attitude towards proper etiquette. I learned it from doing this job for over 20 years, bumming rides from old-skool skippers at outfits like PanAm,Eastern and TWA, roughly about the time you were going thru puberty.

Send me a PM with your name, and I'll respond with my airline. Then we'll be be able to keep an "eye" out for each other.

And what is my attitude towards proper etiquette?

BTW, personal info in exchange for the name of an airline that you don't work for isn't quid pro quo.

 

[Brian a300]

I think what Thedude is talking about is the learning curve. How'd it be if a bunch of civilians joined your squadron.... as an 0-5 with attitude!

It sure is nice that the MIL guys have good CIV careers.. or sometimes even jobs, that they can transition to...

When the MIL guys go straight to FX, UPS, jetBlue, SWA, etc.. they are by-passing the JO indoctrination of the 'regionals'......

The CIV guys that have been in the airlines since flight hour 1 have been custodians.... And when the MIL guys show up they blend in well and become custodians of the Air Line Profession too....

Sounds like you should have joined the military, the JO Indoc in the NAVY is a heck of alot tougher than the Civilian Indoc.

 

[Beech Balls]

YOU GUYS SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF BABIES. IF I EVER FIND YOU ON MY LITTLE BEECH, I HOPE YOU ACT WITH POLITENESS, RESPECT, AND PROFESSIONALISM. PERIOD. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED, AND THAT'S USUALLY ALL I EVER FIND ANYWAYS!
Balls Out!

 

[Mud Eagle]

Sorry to dredge up a weeks-old thread here, but I was hoping someone would actually post something a little more useful...

I'm a military dude...have no airline experience other than riding in back, and I'm hoping to fly for a major when I'm done flying for the AF. I have been reading this website and elsewhere to get smart on the industry, and threads like this just show that I have a lot to learn.

Can someone, seriously, post a little jumpseat 101 for a military pilot? I gather that the polite thing to do is to greet both the FO and Capt, as well as introduce yourself...what are the other customs and courtesies that are expected as a jumpseater?

 

[Huck]

- Bring cookies for the gate agent and the crew. Makes a world of difference.

- It's nice to wait until everyone else deplanes before getting off.

- Be the nicest guy you can. You're representing your pilot group, and believe me, F/A's and others talk about the different types of pilots.

I was talking to a scheduler at GAC once who was a ticket agent 10 years before for ACA. I told her I was going to FDX, and she immediately told me how nice the FDX guys were who commuted out of IAD. Like I said, you're representin'.

 

[mushroom]

Just be nice. That's all it takes.

Be nice to the ticket agents. Be nice to the gate agents. Be nice to the crews. Be ESPECIALLY nice to the flight attendants!

Live by the golden rule and do unto others like you would have them do unto you.

Introduce yourself to the cockpit crew (BOTH of them, not just the captain, or ALL THREE of them if you are on a three-crew plane) and thank them for the ride. Ask the captain where you should sit. He or she will probably tell you to ask the lead FA, or otherwise say "sit wherever you want." On most airlines that usually means first class is ok as long as there is a seat available there.

On an airline like UAL, which nowadays gives you a boarding pass at the gate with an assigned seat ahead of time, go up front and introduce yourself to the crew anyway and ask for a ride. It is simple respect and they will appreciate it.

I'm not sure I agree with deplaning last, especially if you are sitting at the front of the plane. But certainly thank anyone and everyone again as you leave, and tell them that they are welcome on your airline any time. If the cockpit crew hasn't come out to tell the pax goodbye, make sure to poke your head in there and thank them profusely for the ride.

Just be humble and appreciate the favor the airline and the crew is doing you. You could be paying $300 or more for your ticket, just like all the poor slobs in the plane with you. Be glad that you are not. The crew, when they jumpseat on your airline, will hopefully give you the same respect. If they don't...well, life is too short to get heartburn about a$$holes. Don't refuse them a ride. You can't help their upbringing.

 

[tico]

So, no one bit on the " civvie guy showin' up in your squadron fresh from boot camp as an O5 angle".....could I as an 8 year regional guy with 8000 hrs show up in the military as lets say a "major". That's about what a 8 year miltary guy showing up to the right seat at FedEx or UPS is doing. So we do it see it a little different from the "civvie side". I can't just become a Major in the US Air Force but the military guys can just become a "MAJOR" in the civilian air force. I could care less myself. I like a few military guys and a few civilian guys and don't really care for the rest no matter where they grew up.....But it is a point

 

[Mud Eagle]

could I as an 8 year regional guy with 8000 hrs show up in the military as lets say a "major". That's about what a 8 year miltary guy showing up to the right seat at FedEx or UPS is doing.

Sure, why not. That happens for Doctors and Lawyers. Rank has nothing to do with your position or qualifications in the airplane, though.

In the fighter community you would show up with no qualifications and start out as a wingman, just like everyone else.

Guys show up in the squadron all the time with experience in other aircraft -- heavy drivers who are cross-flowing, first-assignment instructors, etc. That flight time means virtually nothing. Everyone starts out with the basic qualification and works their way up the ladder to flight lead, instructor, mission commander, etc, etc based on performance during that particular assignment.

So, that being said, I don't see why it's tough to stomach a guy who all ready has 10 (or 20!) years of professional flying experience stepping in as a first officer at a major airline.

EDIT: I failed to completely read your post, and see the "8-year military guy" part. Well, not much is different, although at 8 years an AF dude that is getting out of the service probably won't be a Major yet.

Just as an aside, I am currently getting back into flying the F-15E after a 3-year sidetrip as a T-38 instructor. When I get to my operational squadron, I'll start out as a wingman, too. A Major wingman with 1500 hours of fighter time being led around by flight leads that were likely my students when I was an instructor.

If I can prove that I'm not a total clown in the jet, I'll quickly move up to a qualification that's commensurate with my rank and experience. If not, I'll stay a wingman, at the discretion of my commanders.

 

[ExAF]

Captain Maybe

So, no one bit on the " civvie guy showin' up in your squadron fresh from boot camp as an O5 angle".....could I as an 8 year regional guy with 8000 hrs show up in the military as lets say a "major". That's about what a 8 year miltary guy showing up to the right seat at FedEx or UPS is doing. So we do it see it a little different from the "civvie side". I can't just become a Major in the US Air Force but the military guys can just become a "MAJOR" in the civilian air force. I could care less myself. I like a few military guys and a few civilian guys and don't really care for the rest no matter where they grew up.....But it is a point

If you only have 8 years experience, you would be a mid level captain, not even close to making major. Your hours have nothing to do with your rank or where you stand in the pecking order in a squadron. Just one of the many differences between civilian and military flying. Apples and oranges, so no, I really don't see your point. You chose the civilian/regiional route, the mil guy chose the military fighter/heavy route. We all pay our dues in one way or another. Either way when you do make it to a Major, you start at the bottom of the seniority list no matter what your background or method of paying dues.

 

[Scrapdog]

Sure, why not. That happens for Doctors and Lawyers. Rank has nothing to do with your position or qualifications in the airplane, though.

In the fighter community you would show up with no qualifications and start out as a wingman, just like everyone else.

Guys show up in the squadron all the time with experience in other aircraft -- heavy drivers who are cross-flowing, first-assignment instructors, etc. That flight time means virtually nothing. Everyone starts out with the basic qualification and works their way up the ladder to flight lead, instructor, mission commander, etc, etc based on performance during that particular assignment.

So, that being said, I don't see why it's tough to stomach a guy who all ready has 10 (or 20!) years of professional flying experience stepping in as a first officer at a major airline.

EDIT: I failed to completely read your post, and see the "8-year military guy" part. Well, not much is different, although at 8 years an AF dude that is getting out of the service probably won't be a Major yet.

Just as an aside, I am currently getting back into flying the F-15E after a 3-year sidetrip as a T-38 instructor. When I get to my operational squadron, I'll start out as a wingman, too. A Major wingman with 1500 hours of fighter time being led around by flight leads that were likely my students when I was an instructor.

If I can prove that I'm not a total clown in the jet, I'll quickly move up to a qualification that's commensurate with my rank and experience. If not, I'll stay a wingman, at the discretion of my commanders.

Mud - trust me...you will not stay a wingman. I already see exactly what's going to happen. You'll show up in your new squadron as an 0-4 ADO (standard issue), and you'll be about 3 years out of date with the tactics in the mudhen. After listening to your young captains and your patchwear-er spin you up on academics and get you "sort of" knowledgeable on the mudhen tactics, you'll quickly progress to a 4 ship flight lead (just because the squadron needs you there so you can lead the lieutenants around). After you finish your ADO queep or if you're really lucky - the squadron commander will send you to the OSS to be a scheduler or stan-eval, which will take up most of your time every day, you may get thrown into a few red air sorties here and there. That's the standard issue Major ADO or OSS chump. Doesn't matter if it's in the C model, mudhen, or viper.

 

[JethroF15]

So, no one bit on the " civvie guy showin' up in your squadron fresh from boot camp as an O5 angle".....could I as an 8 year regional guy with 8000 hrs show up in the military as lets say a "major". That's about what a 8 year miltary guy showing up to the right seat at FedEx or UPS is doing. So we do it see it a little different from the "civvie side". I can't just become a Major in the US Air Force but the military guys can just become a "MAJOR" in the civilian air force. I could care less myself. I like a few military guys and a few civilian guys and don't really care for the rest no matter where they grew up.....But it is a point

That's the most telling statement in your entire post. Once you read that you can understand the bitterness in the first part of your post.

 

[Lowrider717]

Oh, yeah. Unlike the starter of this thread, please make it clear which airline you work for, so we know what to do where.
Thanks.

Listen, it shouldn't matter what airline you work for, most companies have the same basics, while processing the jumpseat varies greatly, when you get to the plane nothing should be different...

The Gate Agent is not your freakin Travel Agent. Use your head when you approach, don't impede the revenue pax.

Introduce yourself to the Lead if available, name and airline, ask to speak to the Capt.

Introduce yourself to both Capt.and FO.Always have and offer your crew id, medical and license available for inspection.

Ask for the ride! If you were given a seat assignment relay that to the crew, and offer your assistance if needed. Always Thank them, before and after.

Get on last, unless otherwise directed by the Gate Agent, then make sure its ok with the lead.

Get off last. Don't impede the revenue passengers. This goes too for those pilots in Uniform who have purchased tickets. It just looks bad, we don't know if you bought a ticket or not.

Remember you didn't pay for any of the services given onboard, so don't expect to get any. The FA's have revenue to take care of. If its offered, as it almost always is, great, enjoy it humbly.

For those of you using the jumpseat only once and awhile, and may not be practiced at the subtleties, try not to make the rest of us who do it regularly, look like pigs.

 

[Lowrider717]

Oh yeah I forgot... I work for AirTran Airways.

 

[Mud Eagle]

Introduce yourself to both Capt.and FO.Always have and offer your crew id, medical and license available for inspection.

Since I'm ignorant on the issue, why is it necessary to show these to the Captain?

 

[The_Russian]

To prove that you are a legit pilot. And, that you are current in aircraft.