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Judge's Order Affirms SkyWest Airlines Pilots' Right to Organize

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Judge's Order Affirms SkyWest Airlines Pilots' Right to Organize


SAN FRANCISCO, May 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- On May 22, 2007, inthe U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, theSkyWest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee filed suit against SkyWestAirlines, Inc. to prevent the carrier from interfering with SkyWest pilots'right to organize under the Railway Labor Act. The Organizing Committee isworking with the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA) to gainunion representation for SkyWest pilots. "I applaud the members of the SkyWest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committeefor their courage in demanding their federal rights to freely discuss andlearn more about ALPA and the benefits of union representation," said ALPAPresident Captain John Prater. "Under the rules governing union organizing,SkyWest pilots are entitled to distribute and receive information from ALPAand its supporters on exactly the same terms and conditions that they havereceived information from management and their in-house pilot committee.ALPA stands behind the Organizing Committee's desire to discuss with theircolleagues ALPA's possible role in their professional futures," he added. The same day the lawsuit was filed, the Court issued a temporaryrestraining order requiring SkyWest to allow Organizing Committee membersand their supporters to express their support for ALPA and the organizingcampaign by wearing ALPA insignia on lanyards or pins and to distributeALPA materials in non-work areas such as crew lounges and bulletin boards.The temporary restraining order also required SkyWest to provide members ofthe Organizing Committee with access to the same channels of internalcommunication to the pilot group that are now and have been available tothe internal pilots committee funded completely by management. Yesterday, May 24, 2007, the SkyWest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committeefought back a challenge from SkyWest Airlines on the right of SkyWestpilots to communicate freely about the organizing campaign withoutinterference from or discrimination by the company. Despite a fullopportunity to present its case to the judge, SkyWest Airlines was unableto persuade the Court that the temporary restraining order should notremain in effect. Following the hearing, the Court issued a revised order continuing theprotections which enable SkyWest pilots to freely express their views aboutthe organizing campaign. This order will remain in effect until the hearingon the SkyWest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee's request for a preliminaryinjunction. That hearing has been set for Thursday, May 31, 2007 at 9:00a.m. (PDT). More than 2,600 pilots fly for the St. George, Utah-based SkyWestAirlines, Inc., serving 19.5 million passengers in 140 cities in the U.S.and Canada. Formed in 1931, ALPA is the world's largest pilots union. As of June 1,2007, ALPA will represent more than 60,000 pilots and crewmembers at 41airlines in the U.S. and Canada.s.server=server()s.channel="News Release"s.pageName="Judge's Order Affirms SkyWest Airlines Pilots' Right to Organize"s.prop2="104"s.prop3="05-25-2007"s.prop4=""s.prop5=""/************* DO NOT ALTER ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE ! **************/var s_code=s.t();if(s_code)document.write(s_code);//-->SOURCE Air Line Pilots Association, International
 
Actually this is an update. After the TRO was issued SkyWest went to court and tried to get the TRO overturned. The judge refused and reaffirmed the TRO with new language.
 
Big surprise....another NorCal Liberal judge siding with a union. Will be nice when they finally put it to a vote and lose. Then the OC will have to shut it's trap for two years......too bad only two.
 
I think the support for ALPA at SkyW is quickly dwindling...too many newhires from people who were with ALPA...they know it will do nobody here any good.
 
Pulling these stunts won't gain ALPA many fans. If ALPA wants to succeed at SkyWest they need to prove themselves by getting ASA a decent contract.
 
Pulling these stunts won't gain ALPA many fans. If ALPA wants to succeed at SkyWest they need to prove themselves by getting ASA a decent contract.

If this is a stunt by ALPA, why did Skywest Inc fight it? I thought they had no worries about a union ending up on the property. If they were as benevolent as you guys seem to believe, why the hostility that a judge granted an injunction against. This should open your eyes a little bit to what your leadership thinks and how they react. However, you've probably never been an ALPA supporter.
 
yea lets hurry up and vote this thing down so i can stop thowing away all the alpa pens that some dork is leaving in the planes.
 
If this is a stunt by ALPA, why did Skywest Inc fight it? I thought they had no worries about a union ending up on the property. If they were as benevolent as you guys seem to believe, why the hostility that a judge granted an injunction against. This should open your eyes a little bit to what your leadership thinks and how they react. However, you've probably never been an ALPA supporter.

Actually I sent my card in long ago but if a vote happens soon I'm not sure if I'll vote for ALPA. I would like to see them score a victory against SkyWest management for the ASA guys. So far they don't look very effective to me.
 
I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost

We no longer live in a society where a union is the answer. Let's look at TSA holdings...ie G0Jet.
ALPA is so strong that at first they were going to blacklist Freedom pilots, but because they started paying dues...they were good enough then to be ALPA members.

It seems everything management does to a group these days, the union is unable to counter...why would I pay for something that is worthless to me.
 
P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.
 
I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost

We no longer live in a society where a union is the answer. Let's look at TSA holdings...ie G0Jet.
ALPA is so strong that at first they were going to blacklist Freedom pilots, but because they started paying dues...they were good enough then to be ALPA members.

It seems everything management does to a group these days, the union is unable to counter...why would I pay for something that is worthless to me.

amen!
 
You guys will NEVER have it as good as you do now!

If the ALPA threat goes away - mngt will treat you worse than now!

If you vote ALPA in mngt will treat you worse than now!

Enjoy living "in the here and now" boys - as soon as this thing is decided, the game will change.
 
P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.

I don't think that's correct, BL. Here is an historical reference:
http://library.findlaw.com/2006/May/1/241516.html

Although unions would LIKE that to be the case by passage of HR800, it is not and has not been since 1947. Unions CAN present these cards to the EMPLOYER who then MAY ELECT to agree to union certification since the majority of the employees have expressed interest. Call me crazy, but I don't see SkyWest doing that.

In any case, it is not what ALPA says is the case - its what NLRB says. NLRB says (now) that once 50% +1 vote by secret ballot FOR union certification, it is done. Until then, it's ALPA's wishes.
 
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I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost
None of those things are the "fault" of ALPA National. Delta, United, and Northwest were in bankruptcy, BK judges allowed the pensions to be tossed aside, and the pilots of each group voted IN FAVOR of their concessoinary contract. As far as TWA goes...I think the blame there goes to the APA more than ALPA but I'll let a former Redbird chime in on that.

It seems everything management does to a group these days, the union is unable to counter...why would I pay for something that is worthless to me.

The "union" has been unable to counter because of limitations within the Railway Labor Act, management-sympathetic bankruptcy judges, and pilot groups not being released into self help...but most importantly, you need to realize THE PILOTS ARE THE UNION! The "union" is only as strong as the pilot with the weakest unity in each local!

How quick we forget exactly what "the union" did for the legacies in the late 90s thru 2001...
 
None of those things are the "fault" of ALPA National. Delta, United, and Northwest were in bankruptcy, BK judges allowed the pensions to be tossed aside, and the pilots of each group voted IN FAVOR of their concessoinary contract. As far as TWA goes...I think the blame there goes to the APA more than ALPA but I'll let a former Redbird chime in on that.



The "union" has been unable to counter because of limitations within the Railway Labor Act, management-sympathetic bankruptcy judges, and pilot groups not being released into self help...but most importantly, you need to realize THE PILOTS ARE THE UNION! The "union" is only as strong as the pilot with the weakest unity in each local!

How quick we forget exactly what "the union" did for the legacies in the late 90s thru 2001...

Well I guess we need to "live in the now" then don't we?
 
The now is the state of the industry coming out of bankruptcy. The political climate has favored business over labor for the last dozen years. How does it make you feel that business can make mistakes, face hard times, not be able to pay the bills and have a judge give then the loop holes to shirk their obligations, but when it comes to you and me the politicians in charge overhauled personal bankruptcy to protect the ones who extended credit to those who were most like to not pay it back.

Hopefully the new political climate will back the American worker over the handfull of stockholders who only care about the ink (they are investors, thats all they should care about, but management needs to understand that the workers will eventually make the stockholders happy)
 
P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.

Completely incorrect. For one thing, ALPA doesn't even count the vote. The NMB appoints a mediator to oversee the voting. If you don't vote, then it's considered a NO vote, whether you sent in a card or not.
 
not sure what's in the water but it's pretty good...do I know you?

You might. I know you there when I was there from posts here and the Lounge. I just recall some of the posts you put up. DM did us no favors there. I think HK just had us over a barrel with no where to go and pride got us.

I do know some guys from my class that are there now. I sorta chuckle over the about face they've done. I wish they'd put osme of that in our water. It would darn sure make life less complicated. LOL
 
P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.
Wow, if you are really this concerned with the issue of ALPA at SKW I would think that you would take the time to at least educate yourself on the process.

ALPA does not count the vote, the vote goes to a mediator who counts the votes, if you do not vote you get counted as a no.
 
Originally Posted by BigLebowski
I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost



Do you think that you will have more success in getting back these items using the unified voices of tens of thousands of ALPA pilots, or going into the CEO's office by yourself and asking politely?
 
yea lets hurry up and vote this thing down so i can stop thowing away all the alpa pens that some dork is leaving in the planes.
You are too stupid to even free pens aren't dangerous. Now shut up and do the gear thing you are barely qualified for. Now for your evals 1s for company suck-up, 5s for attitude & ability.
Shut up and swing that gear BIATCH
PBR
 
You are too stupid to even free pens aren't dangerous. Now shut up and do the gear thing you are barely qualified for. Now for your evals 1s for company suck-up, 5s for attitude & ability.
Shut up and swing that gear BIATCH
PBR


I keep clowns like you from loosing their certificates.
 
I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost

We no longer live in a society where a union is the answer. Let's look at TSA holdings...ie G0Jet.
ALPA is so strong that at first they were going to blacklist Freedom pilots, but because they started paying dues...they were good enough then to be ALPA members.

It seems everything management does to a group these days, the union is unable to counter...why would I pay for something that is worthless to me.

Your statements show you mere ignorance on this subject. What you fail to mention is without a union the above mentioned companies would have had free reign to do what they wished vs negotiating. You also forgot to mention that the contract changes did not happen over night and took some time. meanwhile the pilots continued to get compensated according to the contract. If you think its bad with ALPA representing them one could only imagine how bad it would have been without a contract. As bad as you make it sound those companies still have superior pay structure compared to yours.
Here is my question to you. If a union is so powerless why does management spend so much money and effort trying to counter it?
 

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