Judge's Order Affirms SkyWest Airlines Pilots' Right to Organize

[Gr82Aviate]

Voting yes knowing ALPA does suck but at SkyWest SAPA sucks worse and always will.

Agreed!!!!

 

[PCL_128]

P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.

Completely incorrect. For one thing, ALPA doesn't even count the vote. The NMB appoints a mediator to oversee the voting. If you don't vote, then it's considered a NO vote, whether you sent in a card or not.

 

[BigLebowski]

I dunno what they put in the water over in SGU but when you were at TSA, you were much more militant. What happened?

not sure what's in the water but it's pretty good...do I know you?

 

[Tarzan]

not sure what's in the water but it's pretty good...do I know you?

You might. I know you there when I was there from posts here and the Lounge. I just recall some of the posts you put up. DM did us no favors there. I think HK just had us over a barrel with no where to go and pride got us.

I do know some guys from my class that are there now. I sorta chuckle over the about face they've done. I wish they'd put osme of that in our water. It would darn sure make life less complicated. LOL

 

[siucavflight]

P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.

Wow, if you are really this concerned with the issue of ALPA at SKW I would think that you would take the time to at least educate yourself on the process.

ALPA does not count the vote, the vote goes to a mediator who counts the votes, if you do not vote you get counted as a no.

 

[Ski Bum]

Originally Posted by BigLebowski
I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost



Do you think that you will have more success in getting back these items using the unified voices of tens of thousands of ALPA pilots, or going into the CEO's office by yourself and asking politely?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

yea lets hurry up and vote this thing down so i can stop thowing away all the alpa pens that some dork is leaving in the planes.

You are too stupid to even free pens aren't dangerous. Now shut up and do the gear thing you are barely qualified for. Now for your evals 1s for company suck-up, 5s for attitude & ability.
Shut up and swing that gear BIATCH
PBR

 

[CoAlpha]

You are too stupid to even free pens aren't dangerous. Now shut up and do the gear thing you are barely qualified for. Now for your evals 1s for company suck-up, 5s for attitude & ability.
Shut up and swing that gear BIATCH
PBR

I keep clowns like you from loosing their certificates.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I dunno what they put in the water over in SGU but when you were at TSA, you were much more militant. What happened?

It's not the water...it's the frontal lobotomy they now require for all new hires!

 

[Obi-Wan]

I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost

We no longer live in a society where a union is the answer. Let's look at TSA holdings...ie G0Jet.
ALPA is so strong that at first they were going to blacklist Freedom pilots, but because they started paying dues...they were good enough then to be ALPA members.

It seems everything management does to a group these days, the union is unable to counter...why would I pay for something that is worthless to me.

Your statements show you mere ignorance on this subject. What you fail to mention is without a union the above mentioned companies would have had free reign to do what they wished vs negotiating. You also forgot to mention that the contract changes did not happen over night and took some time. meanwhile the pilots continued to get compensated according to the contract. If you think its bad with ALPA representing them one could only imagine how bad it would have been without a contract. As bad as you make it sound those companies still have superior pay structure compared to yours.
Here is my question to you. If a union is so powerless why does management spend so much money and effort trying to counter it?

 

[FlySacto]

P.S. just so everyone knows, if you register to get information from ALPA and it comes to a vote again at the company...if you don't vote, ALPA automatically counts you as a "yes" vote. So if you don't want them...you have to vote NO.

Actually, this was the case for the last pay package vote from SAPA when less than 50% of the pilot group was able to give us all a turd sandwich to munch. Get informed instead of spreading rumors or misleading others with false "facts". I'm not yelling from either camp on this. I do hope though that the apathy displayed by the pilot group in the past can be met with a little more effort to find out what the facts are, THEN vote either way!!! Sending in the card just means you're willing learn more and might just send the message that you're willing to see some change from mgt also.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I keep clowns like you from loosing their certificates.

Yeah, right Its because of $hitbirds like you, catchin Zs are no longer possible. When you upgrade(I hope never), you will know what I am talking about, until then STFU and swing the gear on command. Oh, your upgrade will never happen, yousee when ASA, pushes for one list and the judge says ok, you will be left standing on the other side of the door. Or behind the door, like when the brains were handed out. ASA will push for DOH, and you being the genius you are will have voted ALPA down and will not have a seat at the table determining the formula for integration. Ergo, hundreds, if not a thousand ASA F/Os will step neatly in front of you for upgrade, ultimately making you a career F/O, which dovetails nicely with your abilities. Now shut up and remember PACKS and PROBES, that all the buttoms you wull get for a long time.
PBR

 

[CoAlpha]

Yeah, right Its because of $hitbirds like you, catchin Zs are no longer possible. When you upgrade(I hope never), you will know what I am talking about, until then STFU and swing the gear on command. Oh, your upgrade will never happen, yousee when ASA, pushes for one list and the judge says ok, you will be left standing on the other side of the door. Or behind the door, like when the brains were handed out. ASA will push for DOH, and you being the genius you are will have voted ALPA down and will not have a seat at the table determining the formula for integration. Ergo, hundreds, if not a thousand ASA F/Os will step neatly in front of you for upgrade, ultimately making you a career F/O, which dovetails nicely with your abilities. Now shut up and remember PACKS and PROBES, that all the buttoms you wull get for a long time.
PBR

This guy needs to get laid. damn

 

[PBRstreetgang]

This guy needs to get laid. damn

Don't you have something better to do with your airport appreciation time than worry about my sex life? Which is just fine!
Remember PACKS and PROBES or you are gonna get some 5s for sure! Hope you like swingin' the gear for ASA former F/Os.
PBR

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Don't you have something better to do with your airport appreciation time than worry about my sex life? Which is just fine!
Remember PACKS and PROBES or you are gonna get some 5s for sure! Hope you like swingin' the gear for ASA former F/Os.
PBR

So early in the day to be sh!tfaced....

 

[siucavflight]

This guy needs to get laid. damn

Wow, you are witty.

 

[bender]

Oh, your upgrade will never happen, yousee when ASA, pushes for one list and the judge says ok, you will be left standing on the other side of the door. Or behind the door, like when the brains were handed out. ASA will push for DOH, and you being the genius you are will have voted ALPA down and will not have a seat at the table determining the formula for integration. Ergo, hundreds, if not a thousand ASA F/Os will step neatly in front of you for upgrade, ultimately making you a career F/O, which dovetails nicely with your abilities.

Actually, a DOH merger benefits the bottom 500 or so SKW pilots. Someone on the SAPA forum did an analysis of DOH versus %.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I would consider voting for ALPA when they fix their problems.

Get back Delta's retirement
Get Back United's retirement
Get back United's work rules
Get TWA's pilots their jobs back
Give Northwest back everything they lost

.

How?.

 

[JRMANNED]

Alpa doesn't care about regionals. They were very anti-Freedom but as soon as they joined ALPA and gave them money..."Welcome Freedom". Now with SkyWest...what, another 3,000 pilots to give us money??? "Welcome SkyWest".

 

[sweptback]

Actually, a DOH merger benefits the bottom 500 or so SKW pilots. Someone on the SAPA forum did an analysis of DOH versus %.

Which is why it should be DOH until the date of the ASA purchase, then percentage after that. That way the junior SkyWest pilots don't unfairly benefit from the assets and orders transfered from ASA. Also, let's be honest here -- if you were hired after the purchase you can't say you didn't know what you were getting in to.