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aircowboy

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This is a scary precedent being set. This radical judge is opening a can of words that will make airlines less safe.

Airlines, Pilots Say Safety Plan in Jeopardy

By Del Quentin Wilber
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 16, 2008; Page D01

Airlines and pilot groups say they may be forced to curtail a critical federal safety program after a federal judge's order requiring a regional carrier to disclose pilot incident reports to families suing the airline over a fatal 2006 crash.

Pilots and other workers, including flight attendants and mechanics, voluntarily file incident reports as part of a federal program to encourage disclosure in exchange for confidentiality. The workers are almost never punished for revealing their errors if they quickly report them and if their statements are the only source of information about the incident. Workers have filed tens of thousands of such reports in the past decade, which regulators and the airlines analyze to find potential hazards.

Safety experts worry that the judge's decision may lead some airlines to leave the program or deter employees from participating.

"It is a dangerous precedent," said Kenneth P. Quinn, general counsel for the Flight Safety Foundation. "There will be a chilling effect on employees desiring to voluntarily cooperate in the programs."

Dozens of airlines participate in the Federal Aviation Administration's Aviation Safety Action Program, which started in the mid-1990s.

Airlines may also stop participating in a program that allows them to cull data retrieved from planes that help pinpoint problems that might go unnoticed or unreported by pilots, airlines and safety experts said.

More than two dozen families are suing Comair, a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines, over the fatal crash of one of its regional jets on Aug. 27, 2006, in Lexington, Ky. The pilots tried to take off from the wrong runway, which was too short for their plane. The jet hit a berm and exploded, killing 49 people on board. Only the co-pilot survived. The National Transportation Safety Board determined that the pilots were mostly to blame for the crash.

Lawyers representing the families requested the airline's pilot reports detailing other runway incidents because they think the documents might show that Comair did not take action after learning of similar previous problems.

"The reports . . . directly relate to whether Comair appropriately evaluated and/or considered the safety information its own pilots were reporting," the families' lawyers argued in court papers.

Comair, the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents pilots at the airline, and trade groups filed briefs seeking to block the request. They argued that Congress and the FAA intended the reports to remain confidential. They also worried that carriers would abandon the reporting program because the information could be used against them in lawsuits. They noted that the program has helped regulators and airlines reduce a variety of threats.

But Magistrate Judge James B. Todd ruled that the reports must be turned over to the families because Congress did not bar the release of such documents in such circumstances. He also wrote that he did not believe that disclosure of the documents would hamper the safety program.

"There are many incentives for reporting to continue, not least of which is the future personal safety of the crew and passengers," Todd wrote, adding that such programs reduce safety threats that could lead to lawsuits.

Representatives of Comair, which is seeking to reverse the ruling, declined to comment. Lawyers for the families did not respond to voice-mail messages.

In legal filings, the FAA said it would prefer that the incident reports not be "subject to broad use in litigation." Its lawyers wrote that regulators thought that employees would be less likely to provide information if the reports were not kept confidential. A spokeswoman for the FAA declined to comment about the case.

The Air Transport Association, a District-based trade group that represents many major airlines, and Southwest Airlines became so concerned about the ruling's potential impact that they filed motions last week urging the judge to reconsider.

"Quite simply, if airline industry personnel know that filing an ASAP report has the potential to embroil them in civil litigation, they will be much less likely to report potential safety problems," Southwest's lawyers wrote.

Southwest said its pilots filed 2,973 reports in 2006. Nearly all -- 2,920 -- were "sole-source" statements, meaning that regulators and the carrier learned about the incidents only from the pilots, the carrier's attorneys said.

The loss of such reports "could deprive the airline industry of key safety information," its lawyers argued.

Staff researcher Magda Jean-Louis contributed to this report.
 
_____Perversions of the legal system such as this are why our medical insurance is so high as well as causing many other lawyer related business policies to be so ridonkulous.

_____Europe has this right and their society is more efficient because of it. More importantly, people are more willing to accept and acknowledge that personal responsability and accountability should be everyone's job. We are so foolish in this country in our attempt to be risk free or "make 'em pay" when things go wrong.

_____That being said, this Comair crash seems a blatant example of pilot error. That is not for me to say, however. It certainly should not involve the ASAP program, which is a very important and valuable creation.
 
What's really scary is that this numb-nuts judge can unilaterally make such a ruling. How did these guys get so much power? :mad:
 
What's really scary is that this numb-nuts judge can unilaterally make such a ruling. How did these guys get so much power? :mad:

The fabric of the US Govt.

Legislative
Executive
Judicial

The other 2 branches aren't doing their job to ying the yang being created by the Judges in this regard... or in regards to the RLA as a whole.
 
Wouldn't it be great if we had a judiciary that was able to equate the confidentiality of ASAP with the law of the land and just leave it the f^<% alone? It's hard to see how the greater good will be served by a couple dozen people getting a payday that they would likely have gotten anyhow without this ridiculous ruling.

...that a government by the judges, for the lawyers, shall not perish from this earth.
 
Hopefully Comair can pull something out of ther hat. I'm not a lawyer, but if Comair holds thier ground, refuses to provide the data, and are later found in contempt of court by this Todd retard, can that be appealed? How can this kicked up to a higher and hoepfully more intelligent court?
 
Well, this seems pretty simply. If your ASAP report is now subject to being made public, you voluntarily refrain.

And I don't believe being found in contempt can be appealed. The ruling over the issue can be appealed. But only with that being overturned would a contempt charge be overturned. Most of the time judges look out for each other. Way too much power here.
 
Write to your congressman/woman. I did.

The ASAP program is a valuable tool and it needs to be protected.
 

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