Judge Imposed Overtime at Delta - What ever came out of it?

[AMRCostUnit]

This came from your stay-out-of open time campaign. Can you guys educate me on this? Was anyone escorted out of their house and down the jetbridge?

Thanks,
Unit

 

[General Lee]

This came from your stay-out-of open time campaign. Can you guys educate me on this? Was anyone escorted out of their house and down the jetbridge?

Thanks,
Unit

Yeah, this happened just before we settled the C2K contract. It was coming up on Xmas time and pilots just decided they wanted to spend more time with their families, instead of picking up overtime. Well, DL didn't like that, and some GA judge sided with them because "status quo" wasn't being performed. They sued us for not picking up overtime, and won. There were a bunch of guys that were individually sued and all would have lost $100,000 or so each. The union decided to do a campaign to go back to NORMAL flying, which included overtime pick ups. We settled the contract later for the best contract in history.

If you are trying to compare that to now, the Federal Courts cannot get involved with a potential strike. Even our last BK judge, judge Purdy, stated that to our CFO while he was on the stand.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[inthewind]

Lovin' the avatar General!

 

[General Lee]

Lovin' the avatar General!

Does it distract too much from my message? Or does anyone even listen to my "message"? It is a cool picture. That would be neat seeing that driving down the streets of Fallujah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[inthewind]

Don't know about Fallujah, but when I was in the 'Mog' it sure would have helped me pick out the good guys! HSS guns is a beautiful feature in the snake!

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Thanks GL. I was just wondering what the precedent was should we here at AA decide to spend some more time with our families.

Unit

 

[Vastly Underemp]

AMR

Didn't the APA already try that? I think it cost them 40 million or so, although they never really had to pay it.

 

[warbirdfinder]

Yeah, this happened just before we settled the C2K contract. It was coming up on Xmas time and pilots just decided they wanted to spend more time with their families, instead of picking up overtime.

Not quite that simple, if I remember correctly, many comments were being posted on the ALPA Forum that encouraged and advocated the practice of not picking up any open time. The attorneys considered these postings as an illegal job action during contract negotiations, thus suing ALPA and individual pilots posting these comments. I didn't believe that Delta should have taken that road, but you know how attorneys operate.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

AMR

Didn't the APA already try that? I think it cost them 40 million or so, although they never really had to pay it.

That was a sick-out. I'm talking about not going into open time and picking anything up after begining of the month conflicts and/or going over the 78 monthly max to 83.

Manning is so tight this would create huge problems for the company. That is leverage for us if we had the collective will.

Many are very unhappy with the "PUP" bonuses that will be paid out to the 1000 managers in April. It is a cash bonus of over $100 million right off the bottom line. It is tied strictly to stock price and has nothing to do with performance.

We had been looking at some ways to help the company with productivity increases and the like and then they go ahead and do this. The payout could be over 200 million in both 2007 and 2008. It is seen as nothing but a transfer of wealth from our pockets to theirs. Potentially $500 million cash payouts to managers of a company that is has lost billions and is billions in debt. Just doesn't add up to us.

My frustration with this is manifested itself in my "Future Press Release - AA FO's Quit" thread a few weeks ago. I felt better anyway.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=75250&page=2&highlight=future+press+release

Unit

 

[AMRCostUnit]

The attorneys considered these postings as an illegal job action during contract negotiations, thus suing ALPA and individual pilots posting these comments. I didn't believe that Delta should have taken that road, but you know how attorneys operate.

Ahh, there is the key. "During contract negotiation." We are not in Section 6.