Judge Grants Mesaba Extension

[SEVEN]

Once again the Judge granted another extension in the XJ 1113 Motion. The new deadline is May 18th (yeah right). Why don't they just set it for sometime in 2009?

 

[gnx99]

That's more time with our current pay.

 

[Northern Lights]

So how's the attrition been lately? I read the article in the Strib that talked about all of the people leaving. Any idea how many non-furlouged pilots are on the seniority list?

My temp job ends soon, so I've been hoping for any kind of news at this point.

 

[i fly boxes]

Once again the Judge granted another extension in the XJ 1113 Motion. The new deadline is May 18th (yeah right). Why don't they just set it for sometime in 2009?

That is the thing about this whole northwest thing that just drives me crazy. It is taking forever and people are trying to plan for the future but it just keeps getting delayed. You know mesaba is going to strike some last minute deal, and then they will have to take it on the road show, and then the pilots will have to vote on it which will take even more time.

Meanwhile NWA lost 1.1 billion in the first quarter of this year (most of that being bankruptcy cost.

It kills me how they get away with this crap.

 

[gnx99]

So how's the attrition been lately? I read the article in the Strib that talked about all of the people leaving. Any idea how many non-furlouged pilots are on the seniority list?

My temp job ends soon, so I've been hoping for any kind of news at this point.

The last seniority list is about 2 months old and I bet things have changed a lot since then. It would be nice to have a new one soon.

 

[SEVEN]

That's more time with our current pay.

Yeah, it's more time with current pay if you're not furloughed and collecting unemployment. For those of us that have already been direcly affected, these delays are costing us way more than an 8-10% pay cut that will come to everyone eventually.

 

[gnx99]

Yeah, it's more time with current pay if you're not furloughed and collecting unemployment. For those of us that have already been direcly affected, these delays are costing us way more than an 8-10% pay cut that will come to everyone eventually.

Very true

 

[saabservant]

8-10% pay cut? Not going to happen. Talk to anyone on the MEC, or Negotiating Committee. Hope you get to come back, or better yet, find a better company to fly for.

 

[PropPiedmont]

That's more time with our current pay.

No its not.

Many months after the bankruptcy at Piedmont we took our concessions. And they were retroactive to the bankruptcy date. For the next whole year money was deducted out of our paychecks to pay the company back for what they had over paid us.

 

[wmuflyguy]

No its not.

Many months after the bankruptcy at Piedmont we took our concessions. And they were retroactive to the bankruptcy date. For the next whole year money was deducted out of our paychecks to pay the company back for what they had over paid us.

That is only if you agree to back-concessions.

 

[gnx99]

8-10% pay cut? Not going to happen. Talk to anyone on the MEC, or Negotiating Committee.

What numbers have you been hearing? Are you implying it'll be more or less than 8-10%

 

[PropPiedmont]

That is only if you agree to back-concessions.

Well, lets say you finally got the company to sign your new contact that they drug their feet over for a year. You would want your pay to be retroactive to the expiration of the old contract, right?

Don't count on the company letting you keep a dime extra.

 

[KaptainKarl]

What numbers have you been hearing? Are you implying it'll be more or less than 8-10%

Gott it on good word that it will be 0% paycut. Rather it will be a reduction in LONGEVITY. A much better deal as the payrates remain untouched. Once a rate is reduced, it is VERY difficult to increase it. I was told it would be a 1 year reduction in longevity (equal to a 3% reduction) and a whole host of QOL items. Pay will be okay, but you better like workin.

KK

 

[gnx99]

^ Wow, very interesting!

 

[flap operator]

They just better not touch that 4 hour min day.


FO

 

[DoinTime]

They just better not touch that 4 hour min day.


FO

FO...most of your coworkers work more than the 1-2 hours a day that you work.

 

[flap operator]

How would you know Doin Time, you probably drink Tatoo all day or something.

On a serious note - next week may just be the end of the extensions. It sounds like the judge sees May 18 as D day according to this Star trib article.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/426133.html



FO

 

[xjhawk]

lets hope its something similar to the Comair results...that would mean pay raises........seriously...it would.....

 

[gnx99]

lets hope its something similar to the Comair results...that would mean pay raises........seriously...it would.....

I know, isn't that sad.

 

[AvroJockey]

On a similar note!

Just got word today in the training department and from crew planning, that the Avro Reduction/Realignment Notice is being postponed. There is still no Avro flying in MEM for June. The bid packages are out, and only have three lines for each seat in the AVRO. That means 6 lines or flying for over 60 pilots, over 90% of the pilots will be on reserve.

There is only one reason for the company to idle these pilots, when we're parking airplanes and losing flying...they don't want multiple training events, because more flying is coming.

Therefore hold the line. Someone must start doing it!

 

[CubanSmoker]

Take a look at our union webboard. Someone posted an FAA webpage that shows the tail number 603XJ (though 635XJ I think) was just renewed and the fee paid on 5/2/06. That's funny, I thought we're just going to be a 49 Saab operation "moving forward". Perhaps we're changing the tail numbers on those Saabs to the 600's right along with new paint?

It's going to be an interesting month.

Cheers

 

[YourPilotFriend]

You will get the AVRO's back until they can be replaced by a 76 seat alternative. Mesaba now assumes all liabilty for loss on the avro, I see no reason it won't be back for atleast another year. Unless NWA already has the 76 seaters ready to go. If it was curcial that NWA park those planes, they would have done so immediately. Plus they are free to put another 7 seats in the airplane.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

YPF... I love it how when you post, it's as if your word is the final say in all issues... It never changes...

 

[xjhawk]

another year? well, remember that article about compass? it explained that the 36 76 seat jets going to compass are to replace the avro by 2009. wow...another year....or two.....or three......what the heck.....that was the official stance of NWA to a pro NWA article......was that a typo or a slip.....

I think yes the avro is gone, when....maybe now maybe in the next two years, but that is no reason for us to bend over during a fake bankruptcy and take yet another concessionarry contract. As for what NWA did with their contract, well, its their company and they can do what they want, but....i say this, when you NWA people walk in the airport, hang your head low.....eyes to the floor...you just lowered the bar, voted in a contract that creats for labor strife, competiion between pilots, between redtail companies, and screwed over those NWA pilots currently laid off and those that now fly the 9. when you see a guy in a wrinkled mesaba uniform with pride in his eye, but none in his company or profession know that i now look down upon you even on every other friday when i bring home 730 dollars........f all of you if you do not agree

 

[AWACO]

Take a look at our union webboard. Someone posted an FAA webpage that shows the tail number 603XJ (though 635XJ I think) was just renewed and the fee paid on 5/2/06. That's funny, I thought we're just going to be a 49 Saab operation "moving forward". Perhaps we're changing the tail numbers on those Saabs to the 600's right along with new paint?

It's going to be an interesting month.

Cheers

That means nothing, Air Wis has all the 400AW numbers on reserve, there is NO talk of us getting more AC.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

That means nothing, Air Wis has all the 400AW numbers on reserve, there is NO talk of us getting more AC.

Not necessarily. I'm not immediately familar with whats going on at AWAC. But the situation between NW and XJ is extremely fluid. A lot of faith can't be thrown towards some reserved tail numbers, yet you can't deny the possible implications of that move either.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

another year? well, remember that article about compass? it explained that the 36 76 seat jets going to compass are to replace the avro by 2009. wow...another year....or two.....or three......what the heck.....that was the official stance of NWA to a pro NWA article......was that a typo or a slip.....

I think yes the avro is gone, when....maybe now maybe in the next two years, but that is no reason for us to bend over during a fake bankruptcy and take yet another concessionarry contract. As for what NWA did with their contract, well, its their company and they can do what they want, but....i say this, when you NWA people walk in the airport, hang your head low.....eyes to the floor...you just lowered the bar, voted in a contract that creats for labor strife, competiion between pilots, between redtail companies, and screwed over those NWA pilots currently laid off and those that now fly the 9. when you see a guy in a wrinkled mesaba uniform with pride in his eye, but none in his company or profession know that i now look down upon you even on every other friday when i bring home 730 dollars........f all of you if you do not agree

If the pilots at mainline negotiated, lets say a pay raise, how would that affect you making $730 every two weeks; you were making that before this whole mess. It's your company that's making profits and it's your union negotiating concessions. This has happened numerous times to XJ and your pilot group(union) didn't take any steps to prevent it from happening again. BTW, you choose to work at $730 a week, if you want more that is your fight. If you take less, well that's your fault.

 

[TurboAWD]

Since XJ mgmt claims they need to restructure to be competitive as a 49 airplane SAAB operator, I assume they would have no problem signing an agreement with a snapback provision that says that if they have at least "X" number of AC at any time after 2006 or 2007, that all contract items will return to what you guys had in contrac 2004. Right?

I mean, otherwise it's all BS, isn't it? (hint, the awnser is: YES)

Turbo

 

[xjhawk]

yes, my vote and many like me are voting no reguardless of what happens.....and if the judge imposes rediculous rates on us as our company continues to make profits, well, this will be a small paycheck until i can find something else, and when i find something else, i am going on my last work flight, and leave the plane, go home and call crew scheduling and resign. leaving the plane at an outstation. Oh, and to your pilot friend, i like reading your posts, did i say it was their fault of what i am making? no....i am just saying, .......what is the union (ALPA) trying to do? stop more outsourcing, stop concessionary contracts? who is leading this sinking ship? Oh thats right, he came from the NWA pilot group. What did NWA do? they negotiated a concessionary contract, they started a new regional......need i say more? How come you never mentioned anything about my compass statement? How they will replace the Avros by 2009?

Oh and by the way, vote no to anything at mesaba thats less than what Comair got.......ia m still going with what was promised to me during the last contract.....yes it was a promise....right from the mouth of wychor....... "comair or better or we strike!" i beeleive thats verbatum! no no no no

 

[fieldinsight]

Many months after the bankruptcy at Piedmont we took our concessions. And they were retroactive to the bankruptcy date. For the next whole year money was deducted out of our paychecks to pay the company back for what they had over paid us.

Yep, and are currently hiring! Training in CLT is worried that we're gonna start losing guys to mainline when the big E-jets show up over there. They expect the furloughed mainliners who can hold a CA slot to go back, but others will pass, opening the flowthrough gate.