John Lear at Coast2Coast yesterday...

[huncowboy]

I am not trying to make another contrail thread, but yesterday I was posted at a place where I had to sit in my car from 7PM to 8AM. All I had was the radio. I like this guy's (Art Idunno what is his last name) show called After Dark or something. So am listening and it was interesting with a psychologist for 4 hours. Then the 2nd half came until 4AM Mr. John Lear was talking.

I have never heard about him so far but he supposedly holds all ratings that the FAA has ever issued and was a professional pilot for all his life flying L1011s and whatnot also for the CIA.

I must say that I am open for UFOs, aliens and all of that. Not as open as I used to be when I was 12 but still open and I am listening and reading if something comes across but not actively searching for information. But this guy was just way over the line. Some fragments I can think off in no particular order:

- 9/11 was caused by those interested in drug profits...
- drug profits are used for USA government cover-ups
- USA was tricked into Afghanistan because Taliban was reducing drug production
- the whole stock exchange and corporate scum was also implemented by the USA gov to get more funds for cover-ups and the consequence was a collapse of economy
- the cold war was an agreement between USA and USSR to divert public attention from UFOs and abductions (My favorite!)
- Vietnam was the same
- Kennedy was shoot because he wanted to come public with the UFO story... there were 4 shooters
- 3rd 9/11 airplane was shot down by an F16 with an MG, a caller could hear the pops though a cell phone while he was talking to a passenger
- there are cities and all kinds of building on the moon
- also on the Mars
- the Venus is simply populated with human like creatures
- all NASA pictures are filtered before they even get to NASA so NASA nose crap (poor NASA)
- airpline pilots can't see UFOs at nioght because they are mostly focused inside on the intruments, and it is night outside anyways...

I can't think of more right now. Pretty nuts... and like I have said I even believe in UFOs more or less. So now you know.

Now what does this have to do with flying? Nothing except that this guy is an aviator, and supposedly a good one.

Probably I should post this into the YGBSM section though... but my hand moves the mouse toward the send reply button... can’t resist... mind control

 

[Mogus]

Art Bell puts on a very entertaining show. A few years back he did it full-time, but due to back problems and program-control issues, he retired and the show is hosted by George Noory, an ignorant, dull simpleton who'll put you to sleep in a minute.

Anyway, this John Lear is the son of Bob Lear, inventor of the Learjet. So sad to see a sharp aviator fall prey to these outrageous theories.

Denver130, come here boy! Come here! I'm sure you can explain the wisdom and logic in these theories.

 

[WrightAvia]

He sounds like a...a Democrat.

 

[Timebuilder]

The show is called Coast to Coast AM, and Art Bell was a VERY entertaining host. George is no match for the task.

Art's most interesting interview, IMHO, is the one where he talks with the guy who supposedly worked at Area 51.

It's a shame that one man, this Lear guy, can subscribe to so many conspiracy theories at once. As Freud said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

 

[Mogus]

I read that a few years ago Art was talking to some fella who claimed he was in a small airplane and that he was flying into Area 51. ***X Files Theme Music*** The man never returned.

 

[Typhoon1244]

...the cold war was an agreement between USA and USSR to divert public attention from UFOs and abductions...

That's true. I saw it on Dark Skies, starring Eric Close, Megan Ward, and T.J. Walsh.

...NASA nose crap.

This is quite possibly the funniest thing I've read on Flightinfo.com. "NASA nose crap!"

Makes for an interesting mental picture.

 

[Timebuilder]

Nose crap?

Is that like the stuff that builds up on the front end of a space vehicle? Or is that like a nose cone?

 

[ShinerBocknabtl]

Anyone remember the one with Mad Man Markum? Supposedly some kid who dropped out of school and was a prodigy with physics...At any rate, he made a Jacobs ladder and somehow used a lazer or whatever from a cd player incorporated into this thing to make an orange disappear when he threw it into the arc.

Well he needed more power so he swiped some transformers from the power company and wired them up....Last I heard, cat was missing and he'd been found by the authorities on a count of burglary or theft or something, pretty interesting stuff.

Then there was Mel's hole, this dude in Washington state had a hole in his backyard and he hadn't found the bottom of it. He had miles and miles of fishing line strung down this hole with a lifesaver tied to the end so it'd disinegrate if there was water down there, he'd never found the bottom of the hole and after the feds heard him on the radio show they comandered his property.

Once in awhile I fly past a tethered balloon on the TX/Mexico border that is over 7000' high, someday I'll take a picture and send it in claiming it's a UFO.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Nose crap?

I'm assuming Huncowboy meant "NASA knows crap." But "nose crap" is funnier. (Jesus! I'm still snickering about that... )

Originally posted by SHinerBocknabtl
Once in awhile I fly past a tethered balloon on the TX/Mexico border that is over 7000' high...

Hey, I've seen those...there's one between El Paso and Tucson. I think it actually goes higher, like maybe 15,000. Impressive.

Sure, people'd probably believe it's a UFO. And, of course, you've got plenty of aliens on the Texas/Mexico border!

 

[Timebuilder]

I'm still trying to figure out who looks at the pictures before NASA. Who would that be? Majestic 12?

 

[Typhoon1244]

I'm still trying to figure out who looks at the pictures before NASA. Who would that be? Majestic 12?

No, the RJDC.

 

[huncowboy]

OMG the best English mistake I have ever made. Yesterday when writing the post I had 3 small and one big Fosters behind me after I woke up at 4PM due to security lag (a lowlife form of jetlag). Of course it reads "knows" LOL. MS Word's spell-check did not help me with that.

This reminds me of this radio guy said about Jennifer Lopez something like "she gave a blowjob" or something like that... and he kept going for a few sentences, then stopped then 5 seconds later... "I can't believe I have said that." I don't remember what he wanted to say originally but all the radio channels were full with that. This was like 1-2 years ago.

BTW that guy who supposedly worked at Area 51 was Bob Lazar, but I don't believe he has ever worked there. This guy was also a big friend and influencer of John Lear. They went together UFO hunting... may be fishing too...

Anyways... I should change my screen name to NasaNoseCrap.

 

[Snakum]

Anyway, this John Lear is the son of Bob Lear, inventor of the Learjet.

I assume you're quoting this glaring error from the program, rather than making it yourself?

Minh
(Inventor of the Minh Jet)

 

[huncowboy]

That is what they said. That he was the son of Bill (not Bob) Lear. I don't know if it is true or not.

 

[huncowboy]

I guess it is correct. Check the quote (middle of the page) from this link:

http://www.aircraftbuyer.com/featured/learjet.htm

There are a bunch of other sites that mention this relation but those are all UFO related, it took me a while to find a reference from a non UFO site.

Here is the quote:

"International records achieved by Learjets include the first round-the-world flight by a business jet (which included this writer as part of the four man crew), a standard production Model 24 traveled 22,993 miles in 50 hours 20 minutes flying time, with a total elapsed time of 65 hours, 4 minutes. The crew included Hank Beaird, John Lear (Bill's son), John Zimmerman and Rick King."

 

[ms6073]

BTW that guy who supposedly worked at Area 51 was Bob Lazar, but I don't believe he has ever worked there.

I am inclined to believe that Bob Lazar did work for a contractor at the Groom Lake facility for a short period of time but I do not think it was in the capacity that was described in the media!

Does anybody really nose?

 

[huncowboy]

Lazar claims he has a Master’s degree from MIT but "research"(?) showed (of course this is also only from another "skeptic' page) his name did not come up on any records at MIT, he also could not name a teacher who was there at that time. He also did not remember when he graduated. It seems to me he is a clown or a chronic liar. He also holds a Bachelor’s from some other place which was supposedly closed down due to selling diplomas. Of course his story was that he has been "deleted" by the government, all his records wiped out etc... these guys never run out of explanations. That was the case with this radio show and John Lear as well. He just kept going.

Forgot to say that according to J Lear, Saddam (the real one) went 6’ deep 3 years ago due to liver cancer.

 

[bart]

Don't believe any of 'em

until they show your their extraterrestrial anal probe...

 

[Timebuilder]

According to my alien, I don'y have to go back to the mother ship for three years.

Maybe it was the bran muffins....

 

[rettofly]

Nose crap?

Is that like the stuff that builds up on the front end of a space vehicle? Or is that like a nose cone?

Probably residue from nose candy.

 

[Snakum]

According to my alien, I don'y have to go back to the mother ship for three years.

When you get there, TB ... tell Elvis I said "Whazzaaaaaap?!"



Minh

 

[Mogus]

I assume you're quoting this glaring error from the program, rather than making it yourself?

What are you talking about? Everything said on that program is as good as gold. Don't you get it?

But seriously, was this guy really the son of the inventor of the Learjet? Sounds plausible...

 

[freightdogfred]

John Lear is indeed the son of Bill and Moya Lear, and a most interesting fellow. I was his co-star at brand X airlines during the Gulf war, and flew a few trips with him over to Zaragoza and Rota, Spain on MAC charters and he showed me his license(s) once, I think he had about 20 type ratings. He was a slam-clicker, so I would belly up to the bar and try to cull a weak ATA F/A outta the herd, as they stayed in the hotel as well. Whilst conversing with an ATA PFE one night, he asked me while flying with John Lear if I'd "seen any little green men". Apparently he was previously employed by ATA as a L-1011 Captain but was fired for going on a radio station in Indianapolis and stating that the small pieces of flesh found around crop circles in the area were actually the anus(es) of missing, Alien abducted children. When called onto the carpet by ATA mgmt. (to the long table with no ashtrays) instead of professing temporary insanity, he pulled out a projector and books a began a powerpoint presentation to support his theorem.
I did sorta peek over his shoulder at the books he was reading at about 20 west, and sure enough it was about UFO's.
John's father Bill was a genius, designing the Lear, the 8-track tape player, the ADF, and the first electric bus. They say genius sometimes skips a generation (or maybe not) I will say he was an excellent pilot, and i still laugh out loud when I think back on some of his war stories he told me. Last I heard he was living in Vegas, and I'm glad I got the chance to know him.

 

[huncowboy]

It really makes you wonder why a guy like John Lear? If I look at this bozo Dudley Bob Lazar's picture I can understand what is up with him. But a guy like John Lear?

These are the possibilities:

1. he is right
2. he is wrong but thinks he is right
3. he is wrong and thus a case for the doctors

# 1 is out of course. # 2 is also out because there is no way a healthy guy can believe in ALL OF THIS. I would say you can easily believe in abductions and that UFOs are visiting us, I myself more or less believe in some of that, but you can't say the cold war was a result of UFOs. At least you can't say that if you have a healthy mind. Therefore I think the guy is nuts... I know, who am I to state such about someone who has already proven himself. But I just can't believe that it is all true or someone can talk it ALL into my head. No way.

 

[Timebuilder]

When you get there, TB ... tell Elvis I said "Whazzaaaaaap?!"

I usually don't see Elvis at the 'scope doc's.

 

[flexlrpilot357]

It's in the family.

I met Ally Lear several years ago. Nutty as a fruitcake. She wrote a long rambling article for the school paper about the aliens living underground, how the US Navy created AIDS, and several other topics the Men in Black were very upset to hear her discussing.

 

[Boomhauer]

Many moons ago when I was still active duty I met a Northrop test pilot who spent a great deal of time at Nellis. He and I became friends and our wives did likewise.

One evening we were gathered around a BBQ pit roasting a nice pig, it was in the wee hours of the morning and the topic of Area 51 came up just between the two of us.

He told me that he had been up there many times for many different reason and that the only thing up there was a bunch of old prototypes collecting dust, a lot of empty space and one or two REALLY cool toys.

I poked and prodded him about the toy part but I got nothing; until some years later I found out he was part of the B-2 program.

He’s retired now and one time recently he told me that in all his years, he’d never seen any space ships, aliens or time warps machines but he did see some stuff marked USAF that would have made you sh!t on yourself.

 

[Mogus]

There was an interesting show in the Sci-Fi channel about a month ago about UFOs. A nuclear physicist claimed he worked at an area called S-4, which is about five miles south of Area 51. Said S-4 was where the real top-secret projects were going on and that Area 51 was mainly used for aircraft design and testing...

 

[ms6073]

A nuclear physicist claimed he worked at an area called S-4, which is about five miles south of Area 51.

That show was probably using news footage of an interview with Bob Lazar. Although he proclaimed to be a physicist, he has been the subject of a great deal of controversy because none of what he claims in regard to his level of education, background, or employment can be substantiated.

More information can be found at: The Bob Lazar Corner

 

[Timebuilder]

One interesting omission on the "Lazar Corner" page, as far as I can see, is the missing "W2" discussion.

During his most famous TV interview, a W2 for the time period in question is shown. The IRS says it is blocked from identifying the EIN number, and will only say it is a "government" number.

Now, think of this as a contrarian. If you were the government, and someone who was breaking this kind of security had essentially become a public figure, what would you do? If you dragged him off to secret prison, his supporters would publicize his disappeance and you would be unwittingly adding to his visibility and authenticity. The best route is to shut off as much information as possible, which you are allowed to do with "sensitive" people. Every school record, degree, etc is easily suppressed. What you end up with is a guy who is easy to dismiss, which is your best result if you want people to ignore him.