Jobs picking up!!

[LewisU_Pilot]

Five instructors from my school all got hired onto different airlines this week. Shows ya jobs are picking up!!

 

[Dash8]

5 guys getting hired at 'airlines' does not a recovery make....
lemme guess,
mesa, skywest, great lakes, shuttle america, transstates.....

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Well it shows places are hireing again. 5CFI's in one week out of lewis is pretty good in my opinion. Gezz everytime i post on this site I get people jumping all over my back...

 

[DGdaPilot]

That's cuz you go to Lewis. Ooooo....burn. I'm just playin.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I'm pretty pleased to see things moving again as well. Four of our CFI’s got hired in the last 10 days; while it may not be a "recovery" to some, it may be viewed as such by others. It's an improvement, although we have a long journey to go. No reason to jump down the guy's throat just because he's pleased that there's some movement again.

Fly safe,
TA

 

[bart]

You are confused. It is not a recovery until there is an elitist from the people's party in the Oval Office...

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

yay, maybe I should quit my day job and fly for a living

 

[LAXSaabdude]

You are confused. It is not a recovery until there is an elitist from the people's party in the Oval Office...

And it's not a recession unless you can blame it on the party PREVIOUSLY in office, right?

LAXSaabdude.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

5 guys getting hired at 'airlines' does not a recovery make....
lemme guess,
mesa, skywest, great lakes, shuttle america, transstates.....

Who even said anything about a recovery? Its nice to see movement again is all i was really trying to say.

Not to sound like a dork but DgDaPilot where did your flight team place last year?

 

[DGdaPilot]

Not to sound like a dork but DgDaPilot where did your flight team place last year?

Ummm....at the last nationals we got 4th and we slaughtered everyone else at this past regionals. So what are you referring to?

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

haha I knew that was coming. To answer your question NO!!!! I have no part of the flight team.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Ummm....at the last nationals we got 4th and we slaughtered everyone else at this past regionals. So what are you referring to?

I thought lewis finished infront of SIU last nationals..Guess I am wrong.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Nah, we beat everyone except Embry, UND, and WMU, but it's all good. Lewis did beat us by a few points the year before that, though.

 

[I Hate Freight]

No reason to jump down the guy's throat just because he's pleased that there's some movement again.
TA

Texan, There are just too many a-holes on this board who like to spit in other people's soup.

I too am please that things are moving because I have been waiting forever. I got my commercial and started flying freight just before September 11, just in time for the market to dry up for almost 3 years. I've been paying my dues flying in the trenches ever since and am just now putting some apps out. In the mean time I've racked up 4500 hrs, 3200 part 135, 1500 multi, 600 IFR and 1000 turbine PIC. I hope those numbers are to someone's liking, preferably Eagle or Xjet.

Waiting...

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Texan, There are just too many a-holes on this board who like to spit in other people's soup.

I too am please that things are moving because I have been waiting forever. I got my commercial and started flying freight just before September 11, just in time for the market to dry up for almost 3 years. I've been paying my dues flying in the trenches ever since and am just now putting some apps out. In the mean time I've racked up 4500 hrs, 3200 part 135, 1500 multi, 600 IFR and 1000 turbine PIC. I hope those numbers are to someone's liking, preferably Eagle or Xjet.

Waiting...

You got a PM

 

[Crizz]

Lewis.. you're the guys with the ugly brown van... We stayed at the same hotel with your team in Columbus in '02. Good times had by all.

I suppose I am a flight team dork.. but its the cool thing to do where Im from. Honest.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Where did they get hired?...and what are their flight times? Was curious to know.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Where did they get hired?...and what are their flight times? Was curious to know.

All ours went to SkyWest & Great Lakes. The average times for SkyWest 1500TT 250multi 2-year degree from two of them, 4 year from one other; they also had a former CFI now FO walk in their resume. The GL guy had 1100 TT 100muti, no college, and no resume walk in.

Fly safe,
TA

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Unfortunately until the majors begin to hire and suck up the 9000+ furloughed pilots we wont see significant long term "recovery".

Stays at the so-called regionals will extend towards the decade mark just as they did in the early to mid 90s.

Its nice that Southwest, Jetblue, Airtran are hiring but in order to see strong movement upward and through the regionals more companies are going to have to recall/hire in significant numbers.

It is also important to recognise that a lot of the movement at the regionals will be from the F/O ranks as first officers who already have the qualifications to move on (furloughed pilots who already have 1000 pic turbine, Boeing types etc.) get hired which will generate hiring at the regional, but virtually no movement towards upgrade.

I'm honestly glad that folks are getting hired, but the industry is a long LONG way from recovery.

 

[Typhoon1244]

It is not a recovery until there is an elitist from the people's party in the Oval Office...

You mean an old-money ivy-league playboy with a long family tradition of money and politics?

We already have one of those in the Oval Office.

 

[THE Flying Ace]

GO FIGHTING SIOUX!

 

[IP076]

GO FIGHTING SIOUX!

Well, since we're on the topic...

I'll put my bet on a repeat.....(Would be nice since UND is the only school in recent history to actually do it)

I'm no longer associated with a team, but I'll be there to help out judging... nothing more fun that sitting in a cemetery for 8 hours with a complete stranger...

Darn nice beating the "home" team last year though.....

Hey, who's coaching this year???

 

[YaMama]

9000 on furlough ...

Unfortunately until the majors begin to hire and suck up the 9000+ furloughed pilots we wont see significant long term "recovery".

9000 on furlough, but how many are still unemployed?

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I imagine that most found employment but with the exception of those major-airline furloughees who were fortunate enough to get on with Southwest, FedEx, Alaska -- or even perhaps Frontier, Jetblue, AirTran, Comair -- most of them will continue to job-hunt.

I would bet that there are literally thousands who accepted employment at regional airlines or even outside of aviation entirely during their furlough who, once the industry begins to recover, will be anxious to get back into the cockpit.

 

[mar]

Ladies and Gentlemen, we've hit bottom

Hey, this is just one man's opinion (mine), but I do think we've bottomed out.

Notwithstanding the pending American furlough (sorry guys) I think the trend has just begun to reverse.

FedEx is apparently calling their poolies into a class soon.

Historically it seems to be a domino effect. Everyone waits to see what the others do.

When one hires the others follow.

Watch. You read it here first...well, maybe not, but good luck anyway.

 

[inline]

You mean an old-money ivy-league playboy with a long family tradition of money and politics?

We already have one of those in the Oval Office.

You just described Al Gore! Oh wait, he lost. Thank goodness!

 

[I Hate Freight]

You just described Al Gore! Oh wait, he lost. Thank goodness!

The poor guy. If he had only won his HOME STATE then he'd be president today. Heck, he didn't even win his home country! The first candidate to lose his home state since 1972.

It's morning in America...

I HATE FREIGHT!

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

OK so I am new with this whole industry. Try not to jump on my back to hard. Trying to learn and understand it. I hear about all these pilots that lost their jobs and are waiting to get back in the cockpit. So why aren't they applying for the jobs these CFIs applied for? Is it because they are being paid more on unemployment? Or is it because they are hoping to get their jobs back? I would think a company like skyway would rather have a laid off united pilot over a CFI out of a 141 school.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Many of them are Lewis.

But taking a furloughed major airline pilot and putting them in the right seat at a regional doesn't create movement in our industry.

Traditionally when major airlines hire, they suck up the regional airline Captains, which create a vacancy so F/Os upgrade, which creates a vacancy so a pilot must be hired.

So lets say in a few years the majors start to hire again. Now you've got all of these somewhat junior F/Os at the regional who happen to already be well-qualified former major-airline pilots. The majors hire THESE guys and, since they're being sucked out of junior copilot seats, no additional movement is created.

Just my opinion. I'm glad that hiring is occuring at the regional level, but a LOT more is going to have to happen for the industry to return to the 1999 paradigm of 3 year upgrades and 5 years to the majors.

 

[JohnE]

Many of them are Lewis.

But taking a furloughed major airline pilot and putting them in the right seat at a regional doesn't create movement in our industry.

Traditionally when major airlines hire, they suck up the regional airline Captains, which create a vacancy so F/Os upgrade, which creates a vacancy so a pilot must be hired.

So lets say in a few years the majors start to hire again. Now you've got all of these somewhat junior F/Os at the regional who happen to already be well-qualified former major-airline pilots. The majors hire THESE guys and, since they're being sucked out of junior copilot seats, no additional movement is created.

Just my opinion. I'm glad that hiring is occuring at the regional level, but a LOT more is going to have to happen for the industry to return to the 1999 paradigm of 3 year upgrades and 5 years to the majors.

A naive question maybe... How did 9000 pilots get furloughed? I was under the impression that airlines have been expanding (up until 9/11). Air travel has become so cheap, you'd think that the # of customers flying would increase. More people send express packages (FedEx, UPS, etc.). Plus, you'd think that the average age of a pilot in the majors must be pretty high, so there should in the not to distant future, be a huge demand again.

I heard on the radio the other day that the railroad industry is hiring again (engineers, etc) due to so many people retiring.

Just curious..