Jetblue

[LearLove]

I'm sorry for the JB pilot groups loss but FurloughedAgain has had that screen name around here for well, well since the day things in our line of work changed forever. He was from the airline school of hard knocks even before 9-11.

I hope everything is well with his current gig, I thought he was going to stay for the long haul but if he is looking to go back to the 121 world you guys should hire him without hesitation.

 

[Flyer1015]

Missing the point here. FurloughedAgain was the handle of an outspoken, prolific, and fearsomely articulate pilot advocate who we recently lost, too suddenly and too young. His handle ought to be retired among JB pilots in his honor the same way jersey numbers are retired. There's no more meaning to his handle than that, but it's enough.

I'm sorry to hear that, it's always sad when someone flies west, especially at a young age.

So there are two usernames here with "FurloughedAgain"? How can that be.

 

[n757st]

I'm sorry to hear that, it's always sad when someone flies west, especially at a young age.

So there are two usernames here with "FurloughedAgain"? How can that be.

Different forum.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I'm sorry for the JB pilot groups loss but FurloughedAgain has had that screen name around here for well, well since the day things in our line of work changed forever. He was from the airline school of hard knocks even before 9-11.

I hope everything is well with his current gig, I thought he was going to stay for the long haul but if he is looking to go back to the 121 world you guys should hire him without hesitation.

Wow Lear! Thank you very, very much!

 

[1678]

Nobody suggested that this boards "FA" should not hired at JB, or that he is not a stand up guy, excellent pilot, and friend. We all know that different people can have the same screen name on different forums. We are simply trying to "warn" this boards "FA" in a subtle way that he probably should not use this name around JB pilot circles,for the reason explained previously. And if he/she sees it fit, to honor JB's "FA" by also changing his screen name, that is his/her decision.

If he really wants to get hired at JB, we welcome him/her; just educate yourself on what the conditions are like and realize that the upgrade time now most likely approaches 12-14 years at a minimum...no CBA, Horrific Medical, below average compensation and retirement, etc. We do have a great group of pilots to fly with and good camaraderie, but that does not take care of: working on average more that other airline-pilots, your medical bills, your retirement shortfall, etc..

 

[say again]

Sorry to hear JB guys/gals!

Back on topic...anyone getting called, or still too early?

 

[Smarta$$]

Nobody suggested that this boards "FA" should not hired at JB, or that he is not a stand up guy, excellent pilot, and friend. We all know that different people can have the same screen name on different forums. We are simply trying to "warn" this boards "FA" in a subtle way that he probably should not use this name around JB pilot circles,for the reason explained previously. And if he/she sees it fit, to honor JB's "FA" by also changing his screen name, that is his/her decision.

If he really wants to get hired at JB, we welcome him/her; just educate yourself on what the conditions are like and realize that the upgrade time now most likely approaches 12-14 years at a minimum...no CBA, Horrific Medical, below average compensation and retirement, etc. We do have a great group of pilots to fly with and good camaraderie, but that does not take care of: working on average more that other airline-pilots, your medical bills, your retirement shortfall, etc..

Upgrade will NOT be 12-14 years.

 

[pilotpayne]

Upgrade will NOT be 12-14 years.

Yes it will....stay on message......jetBlue bad EVERYWHERE else Great!

 

[1678]

Not my predictions only.
Go to the bottom of this page and put in the year you think you will
get hired and see how it plays out. And just for kicks, put in that you
will have 25% below you right away.....


http://www.audriesaircraftanalysis.com/airline-pilot-demand/jetblue-airways-pilot-demand/

 

[Smarta$$]

Not my predictions only.
Go to the bottom of this page and put in the year you think you will
get hired and see how it plays out. And just for kicks, put in that you
will have 25% below you right away.....


http://www.audriesaircraftanalysis.com/airline-pilot-demand/jetblue-airways-pilot-demand/

What a joke. That JetBlue analysis is TERRIBLE. Fleet count is wrong. Growth assumptions wrong. Says ZERO retirements over next 8-9 years, wrong. Doesn't account for attrition. Assumes junior captain is 50%, wrong.

I have been here just over 19 months. My relative seniority has moved up more than 9% in those 19 months. That was with very little attrition, as I only moved up 23 numbers from retirements and resignations. Certainly resignations will increase soon as some leave for legacy airlines. So, after 19 months, with very little attrition, I am almost 1/3 of the way to the junior captain spot. That was also before the company told Wall Street (just recently) that our growth rate until further notice will be more than 5%.

With all things considered, I expect to bypass junior captain at about the 5 year mark. Sooner if attrition really picks up. Not possible? How many years do our most junior captains have right now? And remember that those junior captains tenure includes the Great Recession, age 65, no legacy hiring and a slower growth rate than we are NOW telling our shareholders to expect.

You can dog on our benefits and compensation all you want. I will mostly agree. But you are either stupid or dishonest for saying upgrade will be 12-14 years, no matter how little Audrey knows about JetBlue.

 

[Smarta$$]

Yes it will....stay on message......jetBlue bad EVERYWHERE else Great!

Exactly, and that is all this is, a carefully crafted message.

 

[n757st]

What a joke. That JetBlue analysis is TERRIBLE. Fleet count is wrong. Growth assumptions wrong. Says ZERO retirements over next 8-9 years, wrong. Doesn't account for attrition. Assumes junior captain is 50%, wrong.

I have been here just over 19 months. My relative seniority has moved up more than 9% in those 19 months. That was with very little attrition, as I only moved up 23 numbers from retirements and resignations. Certainly resignations will increase soon as some leave for legacy airlines. So, after 19 months, with very little attrition, I am almost 1/3 of the way to the junior captain spot. That was also before the company told Wall Street (just recently) that our growth rate until further notice will be more than 5%.

With all things considered, I expect to bypass junior captain at about the 5 year mark. Sooner if attrition really picks up. Not possible? How many years do our most junior captains have right now? And remember that those junior captains tenure includes the Great Recession, age 65, no legacy hiring and a slower growth rate than we are NOW telling our shareholders to expect.

You can dog on our benefits and compensation all you want. I will mostly agree. But you are either stupid or dishonest for saying upgrade will be 12-14 years, no matter how little Audrey knows about JetBlue.

This is fairly true. I was told when hired it would be 5 years till line holder on the bus.... 6 months. I was told 10 year upgrade... been here for 2.5 years and am about 200 numbers away. Things could slow down but i doubt it, im guessing another 1.5-2.5 years till upgrade. Hired today and its all about attrition... my guess 5-7 years to junior 190 capt.

 

[$$$4nothin]

A little info. Four guys introduced themselves to me on flights this week that were interviewing as new hires. One of those guys just applied in the latest App window opening a week and a half a ago. Good luck guys.

As far as this seniority argument goes. I was hired July 2011. BOS-190-FO. I havnt worked a weekend yet this year and I wont work one at least through March. Based on my seniority I am pretty sure I might be able to go the rest of the year. Other than Thanksgiving and Christmas I havn't worked a weekend for 6 months now.

 

[1678]

You guys seems to also forget that if you have been here less than 4-5 years,
there is at least 250 - 300 FO's Senior to you whom I bet 90% will bid for CA slots as soon as they can hold a decent line in the base of their choice.

As far as I can tell from the list. It looks like a 6 year pilot would be bottom 10-15% E190 CA.

 

[Smarta$$]

You guys seems to also forget that if you have been here less than 4-5 years,
there is at least 250 - 300 FO's Senior to you whom I bet 90% will bid for CA slots as soon as they can hold a decent line in the base of their choice.

As far as I can tell from the list. It looks like a 6 year pilot would be bottom 10-15% E190 CA.

Sure, that will happen. However, there will always be upgrade by-passer's because you can make just as much money as an 320 FO if you work hard, and have more control over your schedule. Also, due to seniority list expansion, even when these guys bid over, there will still be enough new captain seats to keep the junior captain at about 70% due to upgrade by-passer's and our 2 fleet system where some guys will only fly the "widebody" and won't be seen on the RJ.