JetBlue, We will wait and see

[Front Office]

We will wait and see if management decides to change their way of thinking in regards to the 190 pay and our pay on the A320. They have a chance to show us, and the airline community what they are made of. They say they have an open door policy? We told them they screwed up. Well here's there chance to do the "Right Thing". If they admit they mess up that’s fine, but if they change what they screwed up, it will send a loud message to all.



If they don’t change there minds, I am sure a group will start the move to gain representation, be it in house or another source.



We don’t want to bring down the house, we just want what’s fair for all of us, yes the 190 too.

 

[Palerider957]

.....let the games begin.

 

[ASH]

Those of us who are young, and are facing forward in our career truly appreciate the effort of the JBLU pilot group to correct these immense errors.


Kool-Aid doesn't taste so good without some $sugar$ in it...

 

[lowecur]

They say they have an open door policy? I suggest you march right in there and tell them exactly what you think. We told them they screwed up. You did? And what was it exactly you said.

Another July 04 sign-on. I'll bet you were one of the leaders at the pocket sessions-not!

 

[KingKong]

Front Office,

I'm with you brother, and I still saying we must wait and sign the contract the last day you can. Let's throw the ball back to them and see what happens. If they don't budge, we sign the contract on the last day possible then work on our other options.



Lowecur,



If you don't think that our company hears us, then you do truly live in a cave and possibly never had had a job in your small life. My money says someone is reading this right now that would be considered JB management. Don’t you think so?

By the way, I recently changed my icon to have just a little more anonymity, you knew me before, lowly one.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,



If you don't think that our company hears us, then you do truly live in a cave and possibly never had had a job in your small life. Oh, I think they heard you and they are taking notes about who is a team player from the pocket sessions. You are kidding yourself if you think that mgt didn't anticipate a possible negative reaction. It's decisions like this where mgt finds out just where many employees stand. You either make up your mind to place your company first, or the profession first. Trying to apease employees and second guess the original decison is a sign of weakness. It won't happen. My money says someone is reading this right now that would be considered JB management. I'm sure they spend hours, re-reading the same drivel over and over again. If they don't have a clue where the minority stands by now, they never will. Is it possible that a rate change could happen down the line? Yes, but it won't be because of employee pressure. By the way, I recently changed my icon to have just a little more anonymity, you knew me before, lowly one. Thanks, I'm sure you don't want anyone to confuse you with me.

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[KingKong]

Lowecur,

Funny how we seem to agree here. I was just making a comment that management does hear us and now you seem to agree with me. As a matter of fact, you even think they are taking notes in order to up the training to replace us. Is that it? Could be costly, but they’re the ones that have that big calculator that will find out if it’s better to fire a large minority (your words) or maybe a majority or just make a minor input that will have no effect in the short term and better the company in the long term with a high quality of pilots. Thought you’d know better about economics and labor relations, maybe you’ve spent too much time with your head in the sand of the business tickers?

 

[iflynights]

Lowecur,


You are idiot. Why do you have to chime in things that you know nothing about? Just keep focusing on how the 190 will save the planet. The simple fact is this, if management wants to fire all of the people that spoke up in the pocket sessions (and there were tons fo complaints), this will be the best way to become a unionized carrier.

As far as the contract agreement goes, I think we will see some changes soon. My guess is a small raise for 320 folks, and better wages for the 190.

 

[Front Office]

Iflynights,

I think that would be the smart thing to do. Remember what they told us about "Doing the right thing"

We will wait and see...

 

[vetteracer]

My take is purely observatory and from the onset of the posts about the 190 pay at JetBlue there has been speculation and condemnation.

This equipment has not even shown face on the ramp yet and hiring has not yet begun for the 190 either. I think that MGT may have multiple reasons for the early release of the pay scale. Why decide on this now!

There was a motivation and reason for dropping the numbers now. And it was not to degrade moral at JetBlue. MGT has thought about that.

Even if this is the pay scale there motivations for keeping costs down and profits high are good. I don’t mean good for us, good for the company. There will be ample "low hanging fruit" to be picked by companies with the capitol to do it in the next 5 years. The economy is cyclic and when the rebound hits, those in the position to pounce will launch themselves into critical mass while the others are just recovering. This will benefit the pilot group for those well positioned companies. There will be hiring, seniority movement, growth. And when they corner the markets in certain areas, profits will increase.

We have to step back and look at this as economists and incorporate the laws of supply and demand and factor in the cycles in economies of scale. Times seem desperate and terminal, but as long as man is working the economy will fluctuate. Politics aside, this is a historical phenomenon. And the groundwork is being laid right now for a robust end to this decade. Companies of all kinds are tightening the belt. This is a race to the bottom is a sense, as it leads to corporately responsible big fish, eating other fish.

This is my humble opinion, for what it is worth.

Mark

 

[Thunderchief]

I am beginning to think that lowecur IS management......

 

[KingKong]

This equipment has not even shown face on the ramp yet and hiring has not yet begun for the 190 either. I think that MGT may have multiple reasons for the early release of the pay scale. Why decide on this now!

Simple reason to debate this now. It's in our five year contract that will start in Oct, not after the 190 hits the jetways.

 

[Dizel8]

"We don’t want to bring down the house, we just want what’s fair for all of us, yes the 190 too."

Remember this?
"We don't want to kill the golden goose. We just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg."

"It's in our five year contract that will start in Oct, not after the 190 hits the jetways."

The pay on the A-320 was raised from the contractual numbers shortly after 9/11.

Will the same happen on the 190, stay tuned!

 

[2dogs]

JBLU......Just wait

Hey Guys,

Don't worry about signing the new contract. Trust me!

2dogs

 

[J32driver]

I am beginning to think that lowecur IS management......

Nah... No manager worth his salt has to use an internet message board to stroke his own ego. Lowecur is nothing more than an attention w h o r e .

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,

Funny how we seem to agree here. I was just making a comment that management does hear us and now you seem to agree with me. As a matter of fact, you even think they are taking notes in order to up the training to replace us. Is that it? Could be costly, but they’re the ones that have that big calculator that will find out if it’s better to fire a large minority (your words) or maybe a majority or just make a minor input that will have no effect in the short term and better the company in the long term with a high quality of pilots. Thought you’d know better about economics and labor relations, maybe you’ve spent too much time with your head in the sand of the business tickers?

It's very simple, mgt is patient. They knew there would be a certain faction of employees that would react negatively. They will bide their time in the next 6 months, and after the issue has had time to settle, will re-evaluate those employees that are still upset.

The issue of a possible formation of a union will have no bearing on their decisions in running JetBlue. That will either happen or not happen based on the past history of this industry. There is no point worrying about something they inevitably have no control over. What they have done is set their goals for making this company a success, and the changes that they are making are being done at the appropriate time, while the company is still small enough to turn on a dime.

I don't know the 3D's, but based on what I have seen from their mgt style, I will bet they place a high premium on loyalty. If you choose to test this theory, my guess is you will be looking for another job in the near future.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,


You are psychic. No, I'm Clare Voient. You're input is incredible. True! You are right, the 190 will save the planet. From what? The simple fact is this, if management wants to give all of the people that spoke up in the pocket sessions a raise(and there were tons of complaints), that's fine. Then there would be no reason to unionize. What a simple solution.

As far as the contract agreement goes, I think we will see some changes soon. My guess is a small raise for 320 folks, and better wages for the 190. Don't hold your breath.

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[Stifler's Mom]

Still waiting for him to fall on his pitchfork.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Oh Miss 'Clare Voient', how is your remedial spelling class going??

 

[lowecur]

Oh Miss 'Clare Voient', how is your remedial spelling class going?? Spellchecker?? Maybe that's why I capitalized the two.

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