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Styles

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In September of 2002, JetBlue Airways Secretly gave the Transportation Security Administration the full travel records of 5 million JetBlue customers. This sensitive travel data was then turned-over to a private security contractor for analysis, the results of which were presented at a security conference earlier this year and the analysis then posted on the Internet.

This comes after Wired News's recent article on this matter, explaining that "...the proposed government system to prevent terrorism by color-coding airline passengers according to their risk level will be tested using old passenger itineraries from JetBlue", but quoting a TSA spokesman as saying that "currently only fake passenger data was being used."


Things that make me go hmmmmmmm....
 
Styles said:
...prevent terrorism by color-coding airline passengers according to their risk level...
Isn't that what we call "profiling?"

Thank god! Somebody finally figured out that not everybody is deserving of equal suspicion.

(I wonder what color airline flight crews will be...?)
 
Bright RED!!
if we didn't have any pilots, we wouldn't have any security problems.. so it must be all our fault!! :D :D :eek:
 
Mo' Better Blue said:
Ideology vs reality. I wonder if this privacy advocate had any friends or family die on 9-11. I'd guess not. I would personally like our laws to meet new threats and I don't think a little profiling to save lives is asking too much of our law-abiding citizens. I think what worries these guys most is that they realize they are the minority. They obviously never served in an infantry unit.

What he should work on is combatting spam so I won't continue to get these ads for Viagra and Penis Enlargement. I know **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** well my wife isn't signing me up for this stuff :)

Peace,
Mo'

This is not about 9-11. It's about your company lying to your pax through your privacy statement (it's on your web site). Jetblue easily could have told their pax they were giving their info to a third party, this would not have threatend the CAPPS program.

Delta announced they were going to be part of the program and with drew due to a severe backlash. All while Jetblue did it secretly.

If this story is indeed true, there is no defence for it. I would suggest not trying to use the worst national tragedy in US history to defend a lie. Read your own privacy statement.

NYR
 
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Mo' Better Blue said:
I would personally like our laws to meet new threats and I don't think a little profiling to save lives is asking too much of our law-abiding citizens.

Peace,
Mo'

I agree completly with your statement.........however this is not about the CAAPS program. It's about your company lying to your customers......that's bad ju ju. It will be an interesting few days to see how jetBlue spins this one.

Delta took the heat about this...........and the bad press and decided not to do it. Here is a paragraph from your privacy statement............

Our ticketing functionality is powered by OpenSkies Inc. The financial and personal information collected on this site is not shared with any third parties, and is protected by secure servers.




If jetBlue engaged in this, I think it best to admit wrong doing and move on.......I don't think using 9-11 as a reason to lie to your pax will do your company any good.
 
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NYRANGERS said:
It's about your company lying to your customers. If jetBlue engaged in this, I think it best to admit wrong doing and move on...I don't think using 9-11 as a reason to lie to your pax will do your company any good.
[Whistle!] This place is getting hostile!

I wonder: since this was done in secret, I wonder how many other airlines have done the same thing and we don't know it?

I'm of two minds about this. I think profiling (in whatever form it comes) is important and necessary. You can't fight crime/terrorism without it. On the other hand, I worry about our governments thinking they can get away with whatever they want as long as it's in the interest of "national security" (i.e. Mayor Daly and Meigs Field).
 
Typhoon1244 said:
[Whistle!] This place is getting hostile!

I wonder: since this was done in secret, I wonder how many other airlines have done the same thing and we don't know it?

I'm of two minds about this. I think profiling (in whatever form it comes) is important and necessary. You can't fight crime/terrorism without it. On the other hand, I worry about our governments thinking they can get away with whatever they want as long as it's in the interest of "national security" (i.e. Mayor Daly and Meigs Field).


Yea, it's a trickey situation. I am not sure how I feel about the CAPPS program yet. I just can't believe of all the airlines.......jetBlue is in the middle of this. I suppose there may be others, but if you look at the report it only includes info from jetBlue. Not to mention the ssn and dob of pax that had no idea there info was being given away. I'd be pi$$ed.
 
I did my 5 years in the corps and willing to give up some of my freedoms for security. And I did know people who died in 9/11 almost %50 of our clients gone, people who I spoke with on a dialy bassis.

And that was not the point of the post. But to pont out what JetBlue did to PAX info!!! It just makes one wonder is all I was saying... NYRANGERS got the point...
 
After reading the media reports, including today's most recent wired.com article, I have to say the jetBlue management has made a fundamental mistake that violates its customers' trust and goodwill. While this may have been a well-intentioned plan by jetBlue leadership, it went right down the toilet in a hurry.

jetBlue now has the unique opporunity to fix it's mistake. David Neeleman, et al. needs to DO THE RIGHT THING and acknowledge the mistake, provide a sincere mea culpa, and then not repeat the same mistake in the future.
 

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