Jetblue to cutback on 320/190 next 3 yrs

[MD80DRVR]

Int'l code share? Maxjet.

I don't think so, Neeleman stated when asked directly in the conference call that the interested carriers were already part of another alliance. Maxjet isn't as far a I know.

The analyst then asked if other domestic airlines who are part of the alliance would be able to veto such a link-up and he stated that he didn't think that would be possible. We'll see.

 

[ultrarunner]

It is unfortunate that in such a small time B6 went from the darling to WTF..I

Yeah, that's never happened on wallstreet before!

 

[800Dog]

I don't know why anyone who works for the airlines would consider them the 'darling' of the industry. quote]

Perhaps because a lot of people want to work at a place where they won't be treated like crap.

Just paid like crap!

 

[Ifly101]

Just paid like crap!

Compared to what?

 

[800Dog]

Compared to what?

www.airlinepilotcentral.com. Compare rates on similar equipment for Captain and Fo vs. the competition and you will have your answer.

 

[757jetflier]

Or maybe not. How would you know one way or another? I'll give you some free flightinfo advice: It's always better to talk about something you are familiar with. Otherwise there is a tendency to sound dumb.

Not dumb. Been around. Just don't subscribe to the modern corporate business mantra that gets around the airlines as "culture". Just making commentary as I see fit. No personal insult either. Some get it, some don't, some never will.

 

[Green]

Do the JBlue pilots on this board think there are any payraises in the works for B6 considering that the industry is in recovery?

 

[Ifly101]

www.airlinepilotcentral.com. Compare rates on similar equipment for Captain and Fo vs. the competition and you will have your answer.

Dude are you serious? Have you actually looked at those rates at Northwest, United, Airways...? At worst, B6 rates are comparable. The blended rate at B6 is probably more that any of the above. Not saying that more is not better but exactly what is your argument for crap pay based on? No doubt that most of us in this industry have taken a hit, but "crap" is relative. As in today's rates are crap compared to those of 5 yrs. ago. Or my crap smells better that your crap, or, well you get the point. In case you don't, let me remind you of a time when Southwest pilots were "crapped on" for their pathetic rates. Even the 190 pay is comparable to Airways'. Not that that makes it justifiable or any easier for those trying to feed a family, but you might want to check your facts. Oh, never mind, this is flightinfo where we don't let facts get in the way of a good mudslinging. Remember that Karma is a big fat Biatch that doesn't forget. Take it easy my friend.

 

[Ifly101]

Not dumb. Been around. Just don't subscribe to the modern corporate business mantra that gets around the airlines as "culture". Just making commentary as I see fit. No personal insult either. Some get it, some don't, some never will.

Count me into the never will group because I have no idea what you were trying to say in the above.

Are you saying that your previous post was not meant as a put down? Didn't think so.

 

[757jetflier]

Count me into the never will group because I have no idea what you were trying to say in the above.

Are you saying that your previous post was not meant as a put down? Didn't think so.

Don't care for JB's M.O. Looks like a train wreck in slo-mo. Also, the overload of artificial "culture" that spills to the employees is the text example of corporate kool-aid. JB isn't the only airline guilty, and neither are you. Too many suckers in line waiting for the "blow-off".

 

[800Dog]

Dude are you serious? Have you actually looked at those rates at Northwest, United, Airways...? At worst, B6 rates are comparable. The blended rate at B6 is probably more that any of the above. Not saying that more is not better but exactly what is your argument for crap pay based on? No doubt that most of us in this industry have taken a hit, but "crap" is relative. As in today's rates are crap compared to those of 5 yrs. ago. Or my crap smells better that your crap, or, well you get the point. In case you don't, let me remind you of a time when Southwest pilots were "crapped on" for their pathetic rates. Even the 190 pay is comparable to Airways'. Not that that makes it justifiable or any easier for those trying to feed a family, but you might want to check your facts. Oh, never mind, this is flightinfo where we don't let facts get in the way of a good mudslinging. Remember that Karma is a big fat Biatch that doesn't forget. Take it easy my friend.

My point exactly. B6, United, NWA and Airways=CRAP WAGES!! Look at LUV, Continental, AMR and Delta rates on comparable equipment to B6, not great, but better, especially in the early years. Ease up little lady. I hope you have few, if any, mirrors in your house.

 

[800Dog]

Dude are you serious? Have you actually looked at those rates at Northwest, United, Airways...? At worst, B6 rates are comparable. The blended rate at B6 is probably more that any of the above. Not saying that more is not better but exactly what is your argument for crap pay based on? No doubt that most of us in this industry have taken a hit, but "crap" is relative. As in today's rates are crap compared to those of 5 yrs. ago. Or my crap smells better that your crap, or, well you get the point. In case you don't, let me remind you of a time when Southwest pilots were "crapped on" for their pathetic rates. Even the 190 pay is comparable to Airways'. Not that that makes it justifiable or any easier for those trying to feed a family, but you might want to check your facts. Oh, never mind, this is flightinfo where we don't let facts get in the way of a good mudslinging. Remember that Karma is a big fat Biatch that doesn't forget. Take it easy my friend.

Don't forget, it took bankruptcy and a raping of their employees for United, NWA and Airways to get down to B6 wages. Feel better?

 

[Ifly101]

My point exactly. quote]

No, that was not your point. Reread your posts. But like I said, this is flightinfo where facts don't count. It's a good thing we have so many anonymous brothers like you to keep the bar high for the rest of us. BTW, how exactly is Continental and Delta pay not comparable (especially considering the guarantee)? You're running out of airlines dude. Accept the fact that you are just stirring crap, bend over and say "I'd like another please." You have it all figured out, don't you?

 

[Ifly101]

Don't care for JB's M.O. Looks like a train wreck in slo-mo. Also, the overload of artificial "culture" that spills to the employees is the text example of corporate kool-aid. JB isn't the only airline guilty, and neither are you. Too many suckers in line waiting for the "blow-off".

O.K. then. Thanks for the clarification. It's all crystal clear now.

 

[FDJ2]

BTW, how exactly is Continental and Delta pay not comparable (especially considering the guarantee)?

DAL B737-800 5 year rates after a 46% pay cut $141/hr

CAL 5 year small narrow body rate $135/hr

JBLU 5 year A320 $121/hr

 

[800Dog]

DAL B737-800 5 year rates after a 46% pay cut $141/hr with a 9% DC and 2% 401k

CAL 5 year small narrow body rate $135/hr after surviving Lorenzo

JBLU 5 year A320 $121/hr

But FDJ2, facts don't count!! Sad really, 46% paycut to even approach B6 rates. Thanks B6.

 

[hawk996]

(800DOG)
(But FDJ2, facts don't count!! Sad really, 46% paycut to even approach B6 rates. Thanks B6.)

Why are you thanking B6? You had your chance to vote NO, but its always easier for guys like you to blame others for your short comings!!!! Next time you look in that mirror at home, "Say Thanks for Voting Yes ---hole".

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Why are you thanking B6? You had your chance to vote NO, but its always easier for guys like you to blame others for your short comings!!!! Next time you look in that mirror at home, "Say Thanks for Voting Yes ---hole".

Call me crazy, but I sense a little hostility in your comment. Tell us how you really feel, don't keep it all bottled up inside
:laugh:

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Dude are you serious? Have you actually looked at those rates at Northwest, United, Airways...? At worst, B6 rates are comparable. The blended rate at B6 is probably more that any of the above. Not saying that more is not better but exactly what is your argument for crap pay based on? No doubt that most of us in this industry have taken a hit, but "crap" is relative. As in today's rates are crap compared to those of 5 yrs. ago. Or my crap smells better that your crap, or, well you get the point. In case you don't, let me remind you of a time when Southwest pilots were "crapped on" for their pathetic rates. Even the 190 pay is comparable to Airways'. Not that that makes it justifiable or any easier for those trying to feed a family, but you might want to check your facts. Oh, never mind, this is flightinfo where we don't let facts get in the way of a good mudslinging. Remember that Karma is a big fat Biatch that doesn't forget. Take it easy my friend.

Don't EVEN mention "Blended Rates"! It's OVERTIME!!!
How about we "blend in" rates from the guys that have mil or other part-time jobs jobs on the side?

How about we "blend in" their better benefits and work rules?
Jeez, what are you THINKING?

 

[regionaltard]

Even the 190 pay is comparable to Airways'.

Where do I send the bill for the milkshake I just spewed all over my keyboard? I've seen some pretty flawed arguments here on FI but that one takes the cake.

 

[Dizel8]

But FDJ2, facts don't count!! Sad really, 46% paycut to even approach B6 rates. Thanks B6.

Dang, jetBlue truly is mighty, I mean if a twobit pissant company, with nothing larger than an 156 seat Airbus and less than 30 destinations can fell large international, B-777 operating airlines!

Heck, I would imagine that a couple of those Mega carriers have more RJ's than jetblue has airplanes and yet, this little twobit no good upstart has turned them all topsy turvy and is the cause for the demise of this once vaunted profession!

Man, I would be shaking in my boots if I was at one of those Mega carriers, of course the good thing is, y'all say jetblue will be gone soon, so no problem there. Of course, once this annoying little has been is gone, y'all get your money back, right???

 

[ultrarunner]

Jet Blue E190 FO $37 to $53 years 1-12
Airways E190 FO $41 to $52 same years

Jet Blue E190 Cpt $71 to $89
Airways E190 Cpt $79 to $95

Sooooo...

Just for rounding purposes...figure 1000 credit hours annually.

You can do the math, but it wouldn't appear there is an incredible amount of dispartity.

 

[800Dog]

(800DOG)
(But FDJ2, facts don't count!! Sad really, 46% paycut to even approach B6 rates. Thanks B6.)

Why are you thanking B6? You had your chance to vote NO, but its always easier for guys like you to blame others for your short comings!!!! Next time you look in that mirror at home, "Say Thanks for Voting Yes ---hole".

Voted NO! Bro. Only have 1 vote.


Plenty of mirrors and feeling just fine. What a class act. B6 crewmember yes?

 

[Ifly101]

Where do I send the bill for the milkshake I just spewed all over my keyboard? I've seen some pretty flawed arguments here on FI but that one takes the cake.

Are they not? Just the facts as they are and not as you would like them to be. Now go lick your keyboard.

 

[Ifly101]

Voted NO! Bro. Only have 1 vote.


Plenty of mirrors and feeling just fine. What a class act. B6 crewmember yes?

Perhaps you should be on here whining about your own pilot group then. Actually, I am surprised they only give you one vote. You obviously deserve more with your superior reasoning abilities and all.

 

[FDJ2]

DAL defined contribution plan 9%, JBLU 0%
DAL401k 2%, JBLU 3%

Here's one most people don't think about until they get sick that is:

DAL Long Term Disability 50% final payrate x 80 hours/mos + 18%DC + 4% 401K each month until age 60 or mandatory retirement. If the pilot participates in the Delta Pilot Mutual Aid program 100% pay for the first year.

Survivor benefit: 35% pay for life until Jan.08 when the program will be a one time payment of $500,000.

I don't think that's too bad for a bankrupt carrier that just went through an 1113C process to extract concessions. It could be worse. I'm not sure what JBLU offers in Long Term Disability or survivor benefits. It might be better since they are a profitable company and all.

 

[A350]

Why all this hatred toward JB when it comes to pay?

Lots of airlines pay less than JB. Look at the pay rates on airline pilot central. Some airlines pay less than a C-note for a B747 CA for the first FIVE years. Is this a drag on the UPS/FEDEX pay? I don't think so.

Get a life.


A350

 

[AA717driver]

We have been divided and conquered.

This thread is the exact reason we are making what we're making. For years, those making the big bucks sneered at those making less. They isolated themselves because they thought it could never happen to them.

When they were cut off from the herd, there was no unity because evey pilot group had isolated themselves or had been pi$$ed on by the "haves" and had no interest in going to war for them.

Humpty-dumpty is in pieces and threads like this tell me that it's not even close to being put back together again. I have no idea how low this profession will have to sink before people stop crapping on each other and build a new union that will actually have the muscle and wherewithall to turn this bus around. TC

 

[scrub]

once again, my peepee is bigger than your peepee.
The only way to make real money is not by working for the man but by controling your destiny and economic future by being the man!!!!! I have my own business and make a whole lot more than any commercial airline pilot in the US......

 

[B6Driver]

We have been divided and conquered.

This thread is the exact reason we are making what we're making. For years, those making the big bucks sneered at those making less. They isolated themselves because they thought it could never happen to them.

When they were cut off from the herd, there was no unity because evey pilot group had isolated themselves or had been pi$$ed on by the "haves" and had no interest in going to war for them.

Humpty-dumpty is in pieces and threads like this tell me that it's not even close to being put back together again. I have no idea how low this profession will have to sink before people stop crapping on each other and build a new union that will actually have the muscle and wherewithall to turn this bus around. TC

T.C.

You're spot on target with this post.