JetBlue require resign seniority?

[aroundtheblock]

dlredline,

I'm in the same boat as you. Only I was there only 3 years. If I was @ JB I'd never look back. I'm making plans that there won't be a airline to go back there. Best of luck. You seem to be kind of bright despite your picture there...

Gig'em

 

[skirt]

I The tougher one is a United furloughee that has ten years seniority in the bank (with retirement, B plan, 401k, etc) to come back to. How much of that does he have to look forward to at JetBlue?

There's more to this business than upgrade time.

It may be tough for some. To each his/her own. I walked away from 13 years at United. No I was not furloughed, yes I was a Captain, and yes I am an F/O at JB for the next 14-18 months. Yes, I had to resign my seniority, not because JB required it, United did. In any case, doesn't matter. JB is a great place. I do not choose to slam United (I have many, many friends at United and wish them and the company the best), rather I will simply say that I'm quite happy at JB. My only regret is that I didn't leave sooner.

Skirt

 

[Falconjet]

shoe on the other foot?

dl and Skirt: these comments are not meant to be flame directed at you. I am happy you guys are happy at jB. However:

I think that it sounds pretty condescending for some of your jB cohorts to say things like "you probably won't want to leave anyway" or "not right for the job" if you are conscientious enough to research their employment contract before applying. They simply can't imagine that anyone won't be as enamored jB as they are, or that furloughed folks might be interested in looking for a job and trying to figure out where they stand with jB.

I guess the loyalty thing only goes one way though, because to them it is ok for you guys to have left your previous employers behind (again, no flame, who could blame you, you did what you had to do for you and your families) when things at that airline soured for you or you were furloughed. Yet it is inconceivable to them that anybody could ever feel the same about jB or that things could ever change for the worse at jB.

jB has decided that 2 years is enough commitment for the training costs should you decide that you would prefer to go back to your old carrier. Why can't the pilots there just say so and let the prospective employees and the hiring folks decide if the fit is right for each other? As it is, they are free to walk away the day after training, so long as it isn't to an airline they are furloughed from, I know a guy who spent only a month there and decided it wasn't the right place for him.

No interview system (even over the phone!) is perfect enough to ensure that there won't be some folks hired who decide it wasn't the right place for them after all. Its just the way it is.

So why denigrate folks just trying to gather some info on your fine company?

I think, once again, that the jB folks need to lighten up.

FJ

 

[Daedalus]

FJ my comments are not meant to flame you but I must provide my input to your latest post.

First, I'm not a jetBlue cohort and I don't have a dog in this fight (just like you). When I read the posts from JB pilots on this thread I surely don't get the feeling that anyone is trying to be condescending.....let alone denigrating anybody's reputation.

Rather I get the strong impression that you have your own agenda for posting the stuff you do about jetBlue, and come acrosss as someone who has a very low threshold for tolerating the success and career growth opportunities of other pilots who do not belong to your own fold. Here's a news flash for you there are a lot of different kind of people (pilots) with a lot of different expectations about what a flying career is supposed to be. If your expectations don't match up with what some other pilots say on this and other threads then it doesn't make them wrong. If you think its inappropriate for someone to say that a particular person working for airline X is "not right for the job" then you need to grow some thicker skin and catch up with times. That happens to be darn good advice and something your acquaintance who spent only a month a jetBlue could have used (I'm sure there's more to that story!).

As far as staying on topic jetBlue has a very respectable and fair policy for hiring furloughed pilots during an extremely challenging time for our profession. We should all be endorsing their policy and see it as another example of what makes jetblue's culture and management style somewhat unique in the business.

Okay my rant is off...have a nice day everybody.

 

[Publishers]

ok

Hose can you see. I'm not right for the board because I don't fall in for the party line.

As an employer, I am looking for people who want to be here, ones that think we have a great opportunity for them, ones who think they are beginning a career with a good company that is going somewhere.

As an employer, I think we have right to hire and pay people who are honest with us. If you walk in the door and say --this is just an interim step for me until I get called back to the place I like better, we would not want you. Now you can say I am going to take the party line that I have a family to feed and so I'm going to take this lowly job and not be honest with the company about my intentions. Maybe that is some justification for basic dishonesty. Maybe in your book, not in mine.

 

[Falconjet]

Fair policy

Daedalus: Perphaps you make my point better than I do. jB has a policy that is in place that is quite fair and almost transparent, as most airlines with furloughees will be recalling well beyond 2 years from now, so even dl could defer recall until way past his no-compete date with jB.

Since the company has such a policy, why can't those pilots just state it without the side comments that if you ask the question than you aren't jB material. Just give us all a break. Yea, jB is the cat's meow in NYC. Some day they will be a major, and I hope that life is good for them and all their pilots for a long time. Its just a job, like any other flying job, and the idea that you need to be a special type of pilot (or cult member) to work there is getting really old. Let the individual and the interview folks decide who is the best match, don't try to determine that from a legitimate question about the employment contract.

I get tired of hearing about how they, and their management team are more enlightened than the rest of the industry and that things could never go bad. If so, great, let us know how it works out in 20 years. Meanwhile, just answer the guy's question without all the editorializing and such.

That's all I'm asking. Sorry to have struck the wrong cord with someone without a dog in the fight. It be nice to just read info about jB without all the sanctimony that goes with it. If that is an agenda than so be it.

Thanks for not flaming me though.

FJ

 

[Kav]

I just want Dizel8 to keep replying here so I can have another look at that photo that's on his/her profile!

 

[dlredline]

Re: shoe on the other foot?

dl and Skirt: these comments are not meant to be flame directed at you. I am happy you guys are happy at jB. However:

I think that it sounds pretty condescending for some of your jB cohorts to say things like "you probably won't want to leave anyway" or "not right for the job" if you are conscientious enough to research their employment contract before applying. They simply can't imagine that anyone won't be as enamored jB as they are, or that furloughed folks might be interested in looking for a job and trying to figure out where they stand with jB. . .

FJ,

I don't take any honest discussion as a flame, and I'm glad you show an interest. Regarding your comments, reread the previous posts. The guy who said "if you have to ask the question . . " was a 1500 hour pilot who obviously doesn't fly for jetBlue. And the one individual who is with jetBlue (IB6) endorsed ANY furloughed pilot the right to return to his previous carrier, if that's what his heart desires. Sometimes on this webboard, you get people posting pro (and con) statements that don't even work here. That's fine, but please don't generalize that all jetBlue pilots endorse any specific viewpoint. There are 800 pilots here, and believe me, there are 800 viewpoints as well.

I'll grant you that there is a lot of enthusiasm at jetBlue. Consider that this pilot group is very young (relative to its' counterparts). But there are also a lot of us "elderly" types who've been around the block. My rose colored glasses got stepped on back in the late 80's. I've flown for 2 majors, 21 years total, and been a Captain at one, only to get furloughed shortly afterwards. I'm the "poster child" for how fast and far you can fall in this industry. So I've also earned a lot more perspective than the average "joe". Even though I enjoy where I'm at now, and have confidence (and hope) that it'll last, I'm under no guarantee it will. All I can do is make the best decisions I can with the information I have during any particular environment. And if another pilot wants to return to his/her previous carrier after the 2 year committment is up, who am I to comment on that decision without being in his/her shoes? To each his own . .

And yes, you are correct, I can easily bypass recall rights for years and return to my previous carrier, if I so desired (which I don't). However, my wife of 20 years would make sure I'd never see 21 if I did.

Best of luck to all of us.

Red

 

[Dizel8]

For Kav!

 

[jetblue320]

Re: Fair policy

Its just a job, like any other flying job, and the idea that you need to be a special type of pilot (or cult member) to work there is getting really old. Let the individual and the interview folks decide who is the best match, don't try to determine that from a legitimate question about the employment contract.

I get tired of hearing about how they, and their management team are more enlightened than the rest of the industry and that things could never go bad. If so, great, let us know how it works out in 20 years. Meanwhile, just answer the guy's question without all the editorializing and such.
FJ

FJ,

I think maybe you are missing the point of "us". If we lead you to believe we are superior, believe me, we apologize. That is not at all what we convey, in my opinion. But, jetBlue IS NOT just a job. It IS a cult, although a bad stigma is usually attached to that particular word. As one of the people that sits on the "other" side of the interview table I can tell you that we look for people that subscribe to a different theory of what a job is. If you are tired of hearing about our culture maybe you should bypass any thread about jetBlue. And seriously, I am not trying to pick a fight or flame you. I watch your posts and responses to jetBlue threads and sometimes you blast jetBlue, and then follow it up with praise??? Can't figure it out myself.

I do wonder why though it is ok for you to editorialize and not anyone else?

C yaaa

 

[BrokenWing]

My guess is that FalconJet either: a) interviewed with JetBlue and didn't get the "nod;" or b) IS the pilot that he knows that quit JetBlue after 1 month and now wonders if he made the right decision. Bottom line guys, we all (should) have some company loyalty and it seems that you see more of that among JetBlue pilots than from other airlines. If that's such a bad thing then I guess JetBlue is doomed; all these happy employees will surely result in the death of JetBlue - NOT!

 

[BrokenWing]

JB320,

We seem to have hit the nail on the head regarding FJ; FalconJet has left the building!

 

[Paul R. Smith]

There is a furloughed CAL pilot I believe who is accepting recall back at CAL. Apparently he was expecting upgrade and it wasn't going to come as quickly as his finances needed it to, so he needed to go back to the higher paying job at CAL. He approached JB's management with this decision and to their enormous credit, offered him a loan for the difference of Captain pay and FO pay until he upgrades. I must say, that is a classy offer on the part of JB management. I hope to one day work there.

Sam

I know its nothing new to be negative about JB but this really sounds like BS.

 

[Falconjet]

I'm Back

Sorry guys for the delay in responding, believe it or not I actually got some vacation and wasn't able to check out the boards for a while.

For jb320: Good point, everyone is entitled to their opinion and to put their spin on their comments. I honestly think that the jB guys tend to be be overly sensitive, but that's just my opinion and upon further review will take your comments to heart and just ignore the jb threads if I don't want to read all the hype. I definitely was swayed by comments from some that probably don't even work at jB. You guys just keep on keeping on, I will mind my own business.

BW: Neither case is true. I didn't apply to jB prior to 9-11 because I didn't consider them a first tier choice for ME. I did apply after 9-11 but after interviewing at two carrier's that were in the first tier choice for me, I didn't follow up on my jB app or submit any updates. I am currently employed by one of those majors and in the pool at the other (and still trying to decide which is the 'most' right for me).

I am not the individual who left after a month, but I have known that person for over 25 years and flown with him over several tours of duty. He now works for a major package moving concern located in the deep mid south.

jB would not have worked for me personally for many reasons, geography being the most important by far. I'm sure it is a fine company. I wish them and all their employees the best, and just hope that in time the skin will continue to thicken so that when they do start to pay for their aircraft we can all sit around and joke about the good old days of free airplanes and jet fuel!

Again, sorry for the delay in responding and perhaps in beating a horse that most hoped (myself included) was dead.

Congrats to all the folks getting calls for class dates and interviews. Best of luck to each and every one.

FJ