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with 10 years senority I would say no, wait for SWA,Delta,UPS FDX or any other major ( hiring will start soon), specially if you live out west.
JB does not seem to be interested on following SWA's model of flying around the east, west and midwest and using point to point. they are just acting like a legacy, building a super hub in JFK and flying the supercompetitive FL runs and the profitable NE . they seem to want to be a NY airline, instread of being the hometown airline to everywhere they fly to ( like SWA).
the west and midwest is crazy profitable for short and long fligths alike, but they don't seem to be looking there. furthermore VA is starting sfo-iad,sfo-las,sfo-lax and sfo-jfk, and they are only going to compete with them on sfo-jfk....brilliant NOT.
no words on bases out west, and the long beach will take you forever to be able to hold( we have ove 1,700 guys and the junior fo there is 1,300).
you already have turbine 121PIC time, and a good squedule, wait for the call from the other guys. network with your JS. don't be crazy ( unless you work for mesa, that's another story)
JB does not seem to be interested on following SWA's model of flying around the east, west and midwest and using point to point. they are just acting like a legacy, building a super hub in JFK and flying the supercompetitive FL runs and the profitable NE . they seem to want to be a NY airline, instread of being the hometown airline to everywhere they fly to ( like SWA).
the west and midwest is crazy profitable for short and long fligths alike, but they don't seem to be looking there. furthermore VA is starting sfo-iad,sfo-las,sfo-lax and sfo-jfk, and they are only going to compete with them on sfo-jfk....brilliant NOT.
no words on bases out west, and the long beach will take you forever to be able to hold( we have ove 1,700 guys and the junior fo there is 1,300).
you already have turbine 121PIC time, and a good squedule, wait for the call from the other guys. network with your JS. don't be crazy ( unless you work for mesa, that's another story)
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with 10 years senority I would say no, wait for SWA,Delta,UPS FDX or any other major ( hiring will start soon), specially if you live out west.
JB does not seem to be interested on following SWA's model of flying around the east, west and midwest and using point to point. they are just acting like a legacy, building a super hub in JFK and flying the supercompetitive FL runs and the profitable NE . they seem to want to be a NY airline, instread of being the hometown airline to everywhere they fly to ( like SWA).
the west and midwest is crazy profitable for short and long fligths alike, but they don't seem to be looking there. furthermore VA is starting sfo-iad,sfo-las,sfo-lax and sfo-jfk, and they are only going to compete with them on sfo-jfk....brilliant NOT.
no words on bases out west, and the long beach will take you forever to be able to hold( we have ove 1,700 guys and the junior fo there is 1,300).
you already have turbine 121PIC time, and a good squedule, wait for the call from the other guys. network with your JS. don't be crazy ( unless you work for mesa, that's another story)"
That's one opinion. Here is mine. I think as aircraft deliveries continue the midwest is a definite. I like it here, but am quite a ways up the seniority list compared to where you would be. Sometimes guys like me have no idea what its like to be back at the bottom. There are signs of pay increases, a retirement plan being implemented, a 401K match increase...nothing is definite yet. All depends on what you want I guess. Nobody said you had to stay here if you take the job and something better comes along for you. In my opinion, if we get the B fund and some other things this is a fine place to work.
with 10 years senority I would say no, wait for SWA,Delta,UPS FDX or any other major ( hiring will start soon), specially if you live out west.
JB does not seem to be interested on following SWA's model of flying around the east, west and midwest and using point to point. they are just acting like a legacy, building a super hub in JFK and flying the supercompetitive FL runs and the profitable NE . they seem to want to be a NY airline, instread of being the hometown airline to everywhere they fly to ( like SWA).
the west and midwest is crazy profitable for short and long fligths alike, but they don't seem to be looking there. furthermore VA is starting sfo-iad,sfo-las,sfo-lax and sfo-jfk, and they are only going to compete with them on sfo-jfk....brilliant NOT.
no words on bases out west, and the long beach will take you forever to be able to hold( we have ove 1,700 guys and the junior fo there is 1,300).
you already have turbine 121PIC time, and a good squedule, wait for the call from the other guys. network with your JS. don't be crazy ( unless you work for mesa, that's another story)"
That's one opinion. Here is mine. I think as aircraft deliveries continue the midwest is a definite. I like it here, but am quite a ways up the seniority list compared to where you would be. Sometimes guys like me have no idea what its like to be back at the bottom. There are signs of pay increases, a retirement plan being implemented, a 401K match increase...nothing is definite yet. All depends on what you want I guess. Nobody said you had to stay here if you take the job and something better comes along for you. In my opinion, if we get the B fund and some other things this is a fine place to work.
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6 years at comair and now almost 4 at jetblue. I would do it again. I would also quit comair now to come and be number 1800 at jetblue. Personal choice only you can make. I also have a transcon commute to JFK. It realy has not been that bad, altough some people doing the same commute hate it.
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you don't have to stay
There is only a 2 year no compete clause that says you can't go back to your most recent carrier (for 2 years). The 5 year contract is a self renewing contract of what you can expect from JB; you can leave at any time with no penalty whatsoever (except going back to your previous carrier, and even then they don't really enforce that in the first place).
There is only a 2 year no compete clause that says you can't go back to your most recent carrier (for 2 years). The 5 year contract is a self renewing contract of what you can expect from JB; you can leave at any time with no penalty whatsoever (except going back to your previous carrier, and even then they don't really enforce that in the first place).
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Been here nearly three years.
As a former westie now living on the east coast I have regrets. I desperately miss the west coast, the mountains, the people, the weather... I moved here so as not to have that transcon commute. Now, I'm looking at how to get back out west. Sure, my seniority can hold A320 F/O in LGB right now (about the 40th percentile). But, I won't be a captain there for another 5 years at best. Probably about 10 years from now to hold a line.
If you want to stay out west and have a shorter commute, I'd aggressively pursue United, Southwest, FedEx, Alaska, Delta, UPS, Nippon Cargo, etc... I have a buddy at World who loves it. He's married and based at home in California (all pilots based at home) and the company will buy him a ticket anywhere they need him to report.
There is always talk of another west coast base for JB. However, until I see it, I can't believe it. Been burned one too many times by promises from airline management. Deliveries for the next several years have been cut almost in half. One question you must ask yourself is, "Will I be able to survive a transcon commute AND 2nd or 3rd year pay as a F/O on the E190.
My best guess for a new-hire today to upgrade is about 2.5 years on the E190 and 5-6 years for the A320.
Good luck with your decision.
GP
As a former westie now living on the east coast I have regrets. I desperately miss the west coast, the mountains, the people, the weather... I moved here so as not to have that transcon commute. Now, I'm looking at how to get back out west. Sure, my seniority can hold A320 F/O in LGB right now (about the 40th percentile). But, I won't be a captain there for another 5 years at best. Probably about 10 years from now to hold a line.
If you want to stay out west and have a shorter commute, I'd aggressively pursue United, Southwest, FedEx, Alaska, Delta, UPS, Nippon Cargo, etc... I have a buddy at World who loves it. He's married and based at home in California (all pilots based at home) and the company will buy him a ticket anywhere they need him to report.
There is always talk of another west coast base for JB. However, until I see it, I can't believe it. Been burned one too many times by promises from airline management. Deliveries for the next several years have been cut almost in half. One question you must ask yourself is, "Will I be able to survive a transcon commute AND 2nd or 3rd year pay as a F/O on the E190.
My best guess for a new-hire today to upgrade is about 2.5 years on the E190 and 5-6 years for the A320.
Good luck with your decision.
GP
Wow...Guppy...that is greatly insightful and really helpful. I know that it is a good company to work for, but for the reasons mentioned, it would be hard to start over and work my way back west. I appreciate that insight and value it, not as "hater" info as some have put it, but as real quality of life information. Thanks again to all, and still more input is appreciated.
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