Jetblue Pilots Vote Union Down

[Mach92]

FYI in case you missed it. Republic is a Union carrier.
So, your point that Unions are the only way to maintain or gain higher paying compensation is wrong.
Since 1978 Pilot Unions have done nothing to imporve the profession. (Scope, Merger protection, Junior to Senior pay gap, age 65 rule, no process to get furloughed Pilots back, etc.)
Deregulation has changed the industry but Pilot Unions have not. The JBPA drive failed because ALPA and the Teamsters have failed many JB Pilots in the past.

You might want to look at Netjets IBT then our own in house UNION NJASAP.

Nothing but improvement's since 2003!

A pilot's union for pilots go figure.

 

[Lake Alice]

Ok heres the difference. NJA has not been in bankruptcy. The airlines mentioned above were and therefor a JUDGE gave the airlines the ability to disregard the union contracts. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Ultimately every union pilot who screams my union screwed is misrepresenting the truth. The individual MEC/LEC's accepted those deals. ALPA or Teamsters as a whole did not. Unfortunately we have many, many pilots who do not see the facts and therefor our union drive had little chance of being successful.

 

[a320drivr]

There are plenty of AA, DL, NW, UA, and US pilots that were BOB's.

 

[pilotyip]

Hi!

Pattern bargaining has worked splendidly post-CAB. Remember UAL '00 and DAL '01? It's the bankruptcy laws that are the problem, and ALPA is working on plugging up those holes. Once that's taken care of, management can't come crying to the judge for labor cuts every time their incompetence causes massive losses.

Just cannot believe rational pilots would not want a union?

 

[Fubijaakr]

BSU,

Yep, RAH pilots are IBT. And IBT has a history of poaching pilot groups. So, it is not inconceivable that IBT has an interest in expanding their dues income by growing the RAH pilot group and destroying the Midwest (ALPA) pilot group, is it?

 

[GogglesPisano]

Just cannot believe rational pilots would not want a union?

I hear you, Yip. I just can't understand why people bother with any kind of insurance.

 

[a320drivr]

And now us voters have just gotten word that former AA BOB's are on the APA msg board spreading more lies and false information just like they did to our pilot group. These guys have no class.

 

[JBPA]

And now us voters have just gotten word that former AA BOB's are on the APA msg board spreading more lies and false information just like they did to our pilot group. These guys have no class.

Which ones? Initials (I have the list)? I don't have access to the M&A board. Not sure who on the list is f'd AA/TWA.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just cannot believe rational pilots would not want a union?

You're right! Rational pilots do want a union!

 

[BeachBummer]

Excellent points, Cobra. When things go south, people tend to blame ALPA National for the errors of their local MEC. ALPA National advises. They can't make an MEC do anything. We had a no-strike clause for 25 years. Did ALPA National like it? NO! Did they make us change it? No again.
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This is the fundamental problem!! ALPA in a word just plain sucks. ok 3 words. National sets no presidence for its followers. It's like having a chain that has 400 links that don't connect. It has no preferential hiring into other carriers no job placment for furloughed individuals no pay protection in the event of job loss. Look what the UAW has done. If alpa had half the nads of the uaw it might be worth something... it's a paper tiger that is easily burt when times are tough.

FYI in case you missed it. Republic is a Union carrier.
So, your point that Unions are the only way to maintain or gain higher paying compensation is wrong.
Since 1978 Pilot Unions have done nothing to imporve the profession. (Scope, Merger protection, Junior to Senior pay gap, age 65 rule, no process to get furloughed Pilots back, etc.)
Deregulation has changed the industry but Pilot Unions have not. The JBPA drive failed because ALPA and the Teamsters have failed many JB Pilots in the past.

Exactly. This is why the union failed at JB as well as some fundamental informational problems.