JetBlue pilot found not guilty by Reason of Insanity byTexas judge

[Andy]

.Explain to me how that is fatiguing? No less than 16 hour overnights, no more than 11 hours on duty each day, all day flying (no circadian flipping), 3 days at home every week, half the month off.

First, that's nowhere near the 110+ credit hours you previously referenced that you're willing to fly.
Second, you haven't mentioned your commute from TN.

Clayton Osbon could have made the exact same arguments all the way up to his last flight.

You're not the first one who has engaged me in this discussion. You are a pilot. You're supposed to be professional. You can claim that you're never fatigued but you're now pulling the old bait and switch on me - talk about 110+ in credit being safe and then toss out a schedule with 72 hours' credit. Add in the other 38+ hours' credit plus your commute time.

 

[Lear70]

First, that's nowhere near the 110+ credit hours you previously referenced that you're willing to fly.

Go back and re-read my post.

Slowly.

You will see that I'm talking 114 credit hours. I'll say it again for reading comprehension... 114... Credit... hours.

Second, you haven't mentioned your commute from TN.

What about it? I commute. I fly a.m.'s so I commute in the day before my trip around noon, drive over to my Dad's house in base, have a nice dinner, get 7 hours' sleep, then fly my trip rested as is my responsibility as a professional airline pilot. On the last day of my trips, which finish around 4 or 5 p.m., I catch the 5:50 flight home, land around 7, home at 7:30 in time for dinner on my last day.

Questions?

Clayton Osbon could have made the exact same arguments all the way up to his last flight.

Maybe. Do you have his flight schedule for the last several months?

You're not the first one who has engaged me in this discussion. You are a pilot. You're supposed to be professional. You can claim that you're never fatigued but you're now pulling the old bait and switch on me - talk about 110+ in credit being safe and then toss out a schedule with 72 hours' credit. Add in the other 38+ hours' credit plus your commute time.

I never said I have never been fatigued... I certainly HAVE been before during IROPS and back-side-of-the-clock flying, which is why I don't bid it. What I *DID* say was that I don't create fatiguing trip trades for myself chasing the money.

Again, just to be clear, for July:

Three 4-day trips (a 3-day backed up to a day trip) at 24 hours CREDIT each = 72 hours CREDIT.
Dropped a 3-day that paid crap.
Picked up one 4-day trip at premium time for 28 hours of block at time and a half, 42 hours of CREDIT (the only premium time I have seen for months, it hasn't been readily available for us much lately, just happened to work out).

72 + 42 is... wait for it... 114 hours of CREDIT, 97 BLOCK hours of flying... would have been right at 100 hrs of credit but the premium time bumped it up.

With 15 days off for the month.

Any questions?

Note: this is not my normal thing. I prefer to block around 80 hours of block time, 83-85 hours of credit, with 17-18 days off. However, losing that chunk of pay last month hurt... and I had an opportunity to make it up and not be fatigued by doing so. Yes it put my schedule right up to the edge of FAR legality, but plenty rested and perfectly legal with plenty of time at home with my family.

It CAN be done responsibly. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If you were an airline pilot, you'd understand the difference between taking yourself down to 8-9 days off chasing money or trading a trip here and there strategically for extra money with similar time off as your originally-awarded line.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Andy's argument supports the replacement of pilots with UAV's more than it does improving safety with reduced credit.

 

[Andy]

Andy's argument supports the replacement of pilots with UAV's more than it does improving safety with reduced credit.

Thanks; I see you're currently riding onboard Ozzy Osbourne's crazy train. ... your (lack of) logic in making such a statement is humorous.

As for Lear's optimal schedule, that's only available to the ubersenior. The other 95% need not apply.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Andy seems to think that a few isolated instances prove that pilots need to be protected from themselves. A UAV could be programmed without such back-sass.

The true irony in such a view is that pilots are paid for the responsibility they appear (in his universe) ill-equipped to handle. So cut off the credit, redistribute the wealth, level the playing field and all will be safe.

 

[waveflyer]

Andy,
How is credit related?
If I fly 80 block at 100tfp or 80 block at 130tfp= it all equals the same block.
Some of my most fatiguing lines have been the least productive.
And I missed the evidence that Osbon's break is fatigue related?
I'd imagine that we'd have commuter pilots goin nuts every couple of weaks if fatigue was more than an ancillary factor. And ER doctors and law school students doing the same.