Jetblue pay increase?

[GuinessGuy]

rjacobs......clickclick tells no lies.......the company staffs the line forcing us into productivity.....good and bad. If you want the dough, good. But once our pick-up/swap drop window closes.....that's it.....always below min reserves......."hello, crew services, I'm tryin to drop this SDQ turn tuesday night.
Crew Services: "hello Mr. Co-Pilot, you want to drop. So sorry, but I just added a PSE turn tomorrow night.....ENJOY!!!!!!!
Co-Pilot: DROP NOT ADD......... AHHHHHHHHH

 

[SennaP1]

Good job JetBlue. Congrats guys on the improvements. I understand you have more work to be done, but its a good start.

Question: Will JetBlue be hiring at any time in the future, any rumors of a MCO "Meet and Greet"?

 

[Smoking Man]

Good job JetBlue. Congrats guys on the improvements. I understand you have more work to be done, but its a good start.

Question: Will JetBlue be hiring at any time in the future, any rumors of a MCO "Meet and Greet"?

Hiring of any type will be minimal, the next arrival of new airplanes is scheduled in 2012 ( I think ). At one time we had a few people in a pool , but we had three new hire classes the first of the year and I don't know if that drained the pool.

 

[rjacobs]

I am in the top 35% in jfk I bid any trips that give me 7hrs per day. We have many many day trips that pay over 7hrs..

this month i am at 94 hrs with 16 days off after picking up a few extra days of flying.

Thats awesome, I with we had that kind of productivity. Most 4 days at XJT are between 20-22 hours, some less some more.

rjacobs......clickclick tells no lies.......the company staffs the line forcing us into productivity.....good and bad. If you want the dough, good. But once our pick-up/swap drop window closes.....that's it.....always below min reserves......."hello, crew services, I'm tryin to drop this SDQ turn tuesday night.
Crew Services: "hello Mr. Co-Pilot, you want to drop. So sorry, but I just added a PSE turn tomorrow night.....ENJOY!!!!!!!
Co-Pilot: DROP NOT ADD......... AHHHHHHHHH

I dont necessarily think that staffing thin and having high productivity is a bad thing, SWA does the same thing if I am not mistaken. I cant believe though that if you call in to request something that they can just modify your schedule and add stuff at their whim, if thats true that sucks and something should be done about it, but I guess with no enforceable contract they can do what they want.

 

[turbodog]

Thats awesome, I with we had that kind of productivity. Most 4 days at XJT are between 20-22 hours, some less some more.



I dont necessarily think that staffing thin and having high productivity is a bad thing, SWA does the same thing if I am not mistaken. I cant believe though that if you call in to request something that they can just modify your schedule and add stuff at their whim, if thats true that sucks and something should be done about it, but I guess with no enforceable contract they can do what they want.

You are right that would suck if it was true. I used to put up with that type of BS at previous airline. In 3 1/2 years I have never been required to do anything without being asked. only one time have they asked to extend my day. And it was hard to turn down 4 hours of JRA pay for a
35 min repo. flight. They have called me on off days to fly. But unlike a lot of places it is optional. Sometimes I fly, sometimes I say no thanks.

 

[clickclickboom]

I have never been junior manned here in over 4 years.. I have had a couple calls to recover the operation but all situations resulted in me either flying less for pay guarantee or getting home day or so earlier.

Hopefully we can get the benes fixed

 

[Cheeta]

Hiring of any type will be minimal, the next arrival of new airplanes is scheduled in 2012 ( I think ). At one time we had a few people in a pool , but we had three new hire classes the first of the year and I don't know if that drained the pool.

Incorrect ....13 aircraft scheduled for 2011.....fact at this time.

2012 has almost 20 aircraft scheduled for delivery.

These are the numbers for now. We could get aircraft in 2010 if the company wanted them.

 

[Full of LUV]

Wow

Incorrect ....13 aircraft scheduled for 2011.....fact at this time.

2012 has almost 20 aircraft scheduled for delivery.

These are the numbers for now. We could get aircraft in 2010 if the company wanted them.

When you say aircraft, are you talking only E190's or Airbusii? Either way that is some good growth coming your way....33 planes, that should be at a minimum 200 new hires!

 

[Blue Dude]

When you say aircraft, are you talking only E190's or Airbusii? Either way that is some good growth coming your way....33 planes, that should be at a minimum 200 new hires!

2010: 5 E190 options.
2011: 8 A320's and 4 E190's. 11 E190 options.
2012: 13 A320's and 13 E190's. 12 E190 options.

That's provided that the company doesn't sell off aircraft (again), turn in leased aircraft (again), or defer or cancel orders and options (again). This might not represent any growth at all. We won't know until they actually show up.

 

[Smoking Man]

2010: 5 E190 options.
2011: 8 A320's and 4 E190's. 11 E190 options.
2012: 13 A320's and 13 E190's. 12 E190 options.

That's provided that the company doesn't sell off aircraft (again), turn in leased aircraft (again), or defer or cancel orders and options (again). This might not represent any growth at all. We won't know until they actually show up.

I believe that the aircraft schedule will be modified. I just don't see that kind of growth.

 

[StarChecker]

I believe that the aircraft schedule will be modified. I just don't see that kind of growth.

I talked to a PVC member 2 weeks ago and he said aircraft deliveries in 2011 cannot be deferred any longer. The company is obligated to take them. Of course we may sell more...but he said these deliveries can no longer be deferred....we shall see....

 

[Full of LUV]

Thanks for the update...

2010: 5 E190 options.
2011: 8 A320's and 4 E190's. 11 E190 options.
2012: 13 A320's and 13 E190's. 12 E190 options.

That's provided that the company doesn't sell off aircraft (again), turn in leased aircraft (again), or defer or cancel orders and options (again). This might not represent any growth at all. We won't know until they actually show up.

Good info! Thanks for the update! Hope it all works out to a decent amount of growth!!!

 

[SennaP1]

Incorrect ....13 aircraft scheduled for 2011.....fact at this time.

2012 has almost 20 aircraft scheduled for delivery.

These are the numbers for now. We could get aircraft in 2010 if the company wanted them.

That's good to hear, I'll keep my ears open for a "MCO Open House"

Thanks.

 

[GuinessGuy]

I was only kidding about sceduling adding to your line when you try to drop.......I was refering to that "Cal outsourced CREW SERVICES" audio spoof (FUNNY STUFF).

Basically, once you fine tune you schedule at the beginning of the month....that's it! If you can't FLICA, you got to SICKA!!!!!!!

 

[GuinessGuy]

I ment to say SKEDUALING not sceduling........i need to watch my spelling

 

[WayBack]

Not JB bashing, just a question, without a union, what is to stop management from contracting a bunch of RJ lift or reducing those new pay rates when ever they feel like it?

I Do like the new rates and rigs.

Ah yes, because ALPA has been a brutal force in stopping this from happening at all their carriers!

Good for the JB guys. During this time it's great to hear of guys getting pay raises and more airplane coming online.......It just won't happen at an ALPA carrier.
Congrats GuyS!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I am in the top 35% in jfk I bid any trips that give me 7hrs per day. We have many many day trips that pay over 7hrs..

this month i am at 94 hrs with 16 days off after picking up a few extra days of flying.

Wow. Well ... I am also a fourth year 320 FO, in the top 35% and even in a month where I do nothing for the Navy, I don't get that kind of productivity. Realize that if your first concern is commutability -- i.e. no day trips or crash pads -- then this kind of productivity is not the norm. Oh, and I generally choose to work during the week, not weekends. But if I bid weekends, my seniority goes up per se.

Russ Chew gutted our productivity back in the day, and it hit the pocketbook of the commuter the hardest.

For me, day trips, with nights in Kew just suck. Give me CUN, AUA, SAN, SEA, AUS, ORD (hell even a raucous night in EWR) instead -- in exchange for a few or 5 hours of pay -- and I'm your huckleberry.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Oh, and click -- no offense, but 16 days off? That's the goal? How many even get that? Let's face it -- you and I and Caveman had about 900 or so hired underneath us. The view from the bottom of the 320 FO list in JFK is probably not that appealing. And with no growth in the future, it ain't gonna improve anytime soon.

How far we have lowered our aspirations.

I say raise the wage, lower the time away from home-- because it's the time away from home that truly makes this career suck -- and oila, you have me at "blue juice".

I will be officially living the dream when I work no more than 12 days a month (domestic of course, because we just sold our soul to Looftansy) and still get a paycheck that validates the fact that every time I land safely I don't kill 150 people.

 

[Splert]

Yeah, it would have been MUCH faster with a union. . .

This process by the time the night rig is added in 2010 will be 5 years.

 

[pipejockey]

I'm a 4th year A320 FO.


2nd year E190 FO:

Min guarantee (old rate): $46.2K
Min guarantee (new rate): $61.3K +$15.1K

78 hours (old rate): $54.1K
78 hours (new rate): $68.3K +$14.2K

85 hours (old rate): $61K
85 hours (new rate): $77.5K +$16.5K

6th year E190 CA:

Min guarantee (old rate): $82.3K
Min guarantee (new rate): $110.9K +$28.6K

78 hours (old rate): $96.4K
78 hours (new rate): $123.6K +$27.2K

85 hours (old rate): $108.8K
85 hours (new rate): $140.2K +$31.4K

For the folks at the regionals. These 190 rates MUST, absolutely MUST be demanded for 190 size equipment at the regionals. Then maybe some headway in earning a fair wage at the regionals will be made. I despise low cost carriers. But I will say that these 190 rates barely, BARELY cross the threshold of what can be considered a fair wage, that is as long as there are cost of living increases each year that keep up with inflation, which averages about 2.5%. Does it go up each year? Or is it stagnant for the length of the contract. If it is stagnant, then you take a 2.5% pay cut each year from here on out.