JetBlue - Nov 2-3 Interview

[roadrunner]

They asked me which aircraft I preferred, saying 190's would be in class first qtr 07, and A320 would be 2nd qtr of 07.

 

[Truckdriver]

How can a company that is not making money give pilots raises? I hope you are right, but I have been hearing this for over a year.

Come on Hutch your thinking too much Continental here. They told them a year ago when the got the 190 that the rates would be reviewed at the 1 year mark and adjusted according to the profitability of the fleet. At that one year mark they put together a compensation commitee that is reviewing rates for both fleets as we speak. They will get raises because management said they would do it and the live up to their word around here. I'm not sure if we will here in the next couple of weeks, but we will know by Jan 1 which is when they are apparently going to be effective. As far as numbers go, I have no idea where they will be. If the rumors I've heard are correct, I'll make lots more money at JetBlue over a 10 year period than I would have if I went to CAL (Retirement excluded).

 

[Truckdriver]

What kind of raises are you talking about? Across the board or just 190 FO. Should be very interesting.

Rumors are a raise for the 320 guys and 190 pay based on a percentage of 320 pay. Very tight lipped about it though so it's best to wait till the official word is out.

 

[Truckdriver]

They asked me which aircraft I preferred, saying 190's would be in class first qtr 07, and A320 would be 2nd qtr of 07.

Looks like classes every two weeks starting Jan 3rd. Classes will be 14 320 guys and 8 190 guys each at least through the end of Feb. Haven't heard beyond Feb other than they plan on around 350 total for 2007.

 

[Splert]

According to the folks I interviewed with, they still plan on giving people a choice of aircraft provided they can fill all 190 classes. If they can not fill a class they may have to only offer the 190 for a while, but this sounded to me like a fluid situation and by no means only the 190 would be offered if they can help it. They like to "let people choose their own destiny".

Form those who I have spoken to the word is that there are so many people in the pool who are waiting for the 320 that effectively everyone who just interviewed will only be offered the 190.

If this turns out to be the case then the entire recruitment staff just wasted their time and the time of all the applicants who interviewed in November.

 

[clickclickboom]

pay rates

I have heard the following..

10$ raise to 320 Crews..

That would put yr 1 320 Fo at $61

190 Rates will be 85% of 320 rates. or about $50 yr one FO and just about $100 yr 1 Capt 190..

This is speculation from flying with a top seniority guy on probably 5 different committes..

JB has had 1 bad qtr and one near break even. That is countered by nearly 6 years of profit.. Jb in a short 6 months has been able to account for nearly $200 million per year in excess fat and is well on its way to meeting that goal.

JB understands that the pilots while loyal are in the daily grind.. If you dont work here you just wouldnt understand the culture..

Not the perfect job but a great place regardless..

lets hope this happens sooner rather than later

 

[Formula1]

Those pay rates would definitely make it a much better place!! I know that JetBlue is trying to cut down on pilot attrition and this is a step in the right direction. I got a sense of the JetBlue culture at the interview and I liked what I saw.

I am curious what is the shortest amount of time it has taken someone to get through phase 2 at JetBlue- I know there are alot of people that it has taken well over two months but I also know that it has taken much less than that as well. It seems to me that they (JetBlue) are trying to speed up the process compared to previous interviews?

 

[SNOWBUM]

I took over 12 weeks to get done through phase 2 and a good friend of mine less than 2 weeks.we both had been workin gfor the same outfit for 5 years( same time on pria records).

 

[Caveman]

Form those who I have spoken to the word is that there are so many people in the pool who are waiting for the 320 that effectively everyone who just interviewed will only be offered the 190.

If this turns out to be the case then the entire recruitment staff just wasted their time and the time of all the applicants who interviewed in November.

My understanding is that there are about 60 in the pool right now not counting the Nov interviewees. We have already forecasted classes of 14 A320 and 8 E190 every two weeks starting Jan 3 until the end of Feb. That means even if all 60 in the pool take the Airbus there will still be some folks from the Nov interviews that could be in an A320 class by the end of Feb.

Nobody wasted their time.

 

[Formula1]

I took over 12 weeks to get done through phase 2 and a good friend of mine less than 2 weeks.we both had been workin gfor the same outfit for 5 years( same time on pria records).

It is interesting how the time can vary so much from one person to the next on the background check.

 

[Splert]

My understanding is that there are about 60 in the pool right now not counting the Nov interviewees. We have already forecasted classes of 14 A320 and 8 E190 every two weeks starting Jan 3 until the end of Feb. That means even if all 60 in the pool take the Airbus there will still be some folks from the Nov interviews that could be in an A320 class by the end of Feb.

Nobody wasted their time.

You may be correct and I hope you are. But my source says different; Nov. invites will only be offered the 190.

 

[johnsonrod]

I have heard the following..

10$ raise to 320 Crews..

That would put yr 1 320 Fo at $61

190 Rates will be 85% of 320 rates. or about $50 yr one FO and just about $100 yr 1 Capt 190..

This is speculation from flying with a top seniority guy on probably 5 different committes..

JB has had 1 bad qtr and one near break even. That is countered by nearly 6 years of profit.. Jb in a short 6 months has been able to account for nearly $200 million per year in excess fat and is well on its way to meeting that goal.

JB understands that the pilots while loyal are in the daily grind.. If you dont work here you just wouldnt understand the culture..

Not the perfect job but a great place regardless..

lets hope this happens sooner rather than later

So, what would the estimate be for 1st year pay on the E190 with these new rates? How popular is the BOS base for the E190? Lastly, how many sectors would be likely on the E190 per day on average - 4-6 sectors?

 

[clickclickboom]

So, what would the estimate be for 1st year pay on the E190 with these new rates? How popular is the BOS base for the E190? Lastly, how many sectors would be likely on the E190 per day on average - 4-6 sectors?

This is hearsay thats it.. Until the rates are official this is pure speculation on my part.. I will guess you will see FO pay at JB increased before Captain Pay..

If you flew the Average which is 83 hrs per month here is the math

51 per hr x 70 = $3570
13 hrs at premium of $76.50 = 995

4565 per month or about $55,000

If you flew max schedule or 95 hrs per month

your premium would be about $1900 or $5500 per month

$65,800 per year..

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Captain 190

$100 per hr x 70 = $7000
13 hrs at prem $150 = $1950

$107,400 per year

Max Sked would be about $125,000 with premium

 

[IronCityBlue]

just a tad myopic IMHO

You may be correct and I hope you are. But my source says different; Nov. invites will only be offered the 190.

Oh yeah, well my sources say that's not the case. (now take a grain of salt, cut it in half, and take it with that)

No problem if you really want the bus, but to assume almost everyone in the recent interview group is 320 or bust is incorrect. I know 3 of the interviewees from that group, and 1 wants the 190, and the other 2 would prefer the 320 but will pass up a maximum of one class to get a bus class but if more than that, both will grab the first 190 class and not look back.

Even if there are no 320 classes for a few months maximum for that interview group (see caveman's post) you'll still get the 320 if you're willing to wait and pass up classes. I wouldn't wait too long and lose hundreds of numbers over first year pay, but you do what you want. Good luck and welcome aboard if you get hired and choose to come aboard.

First year pay is certainlly something to consider. If someone gets hired here and ends up staying for a while, its also something to consider for the last 15, 20, 25, 30...years of your time here the long term effect of the 100 or 200 (+?) seniority numbers you willingly gave up early on to get one plane versus the other for the first 2 years. It also works both ways. Take the 320 and you can't go to the 190 for 2 years, including upgrade. Its your call though. Good luck with your decision. Either way its certainlly not perfect here, but overall a very good culture and a good place to work.


>>>So, what would the estimate be for 1st year pay on the E190 with these new rates? How popular is the BOS base for the E190? Lastly, how many sectors would be likely on the E190 per day on average - 4-6 sectors?

Sectors? Yeah, I guess 4-6 is about right. Not including go-arounds, which may add another circut or two to you average daily sectors.

 

[johnsonrod]

This is hearsay thats it.. Until the rates are official this is pure speculation on my part.. I will guess you will see FO pay at JB increased before Captain Pay..

If you flew the Average which is 83 hrs per month here is the math

51 per hr x 70 = $3570
13 hrs at premium of $76.50 = 995

4565 per month or about $55,000

If you flew max schedule or 95 hrs per month

your premium would be about $1900 or $5500 per month

$65,800 per year..

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Captain 190

$100 per hr x 70 = $7000
13 hrs at prem $150 = $1950

$107,400 per year

Max Sked would be about $125,000 with premium

Those rates look pretty good.

Have the rates increased because of recent pilot attrition or just internal dissatisfaction? What prompted the new rates? If attrition is the reason, how many pilots have left in the last 6 months or so (maybe for reasons beyond E190 rates)?